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sofa king

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37. What?! Holy CRAP!
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 11:07 AM
Jul 2016

From that one move, several early guesses can be made:

* Removing a speaker from the list is about as big a tell as you can show in the VP guessing game (unless you're Republican and Tim Tebow backs out on you). Furthermore, the timing of this move suggests that it is intentional, designed to tip off the press and tealeaf-readers so that pollsters can run their hypothetical matchup scenarios. It injects enthusiasm into Democrats and shows the general lack of finesse in the Republican pick, and keeps people looking ahead to the Democratic Convention while the dumpster fire burns. Warren can easily be added back to the speaker list if this is a head-fake, but it risks upsetting those of us who would consider the pick of Warren to be an excellent one.

* As best I can tell, Mass. election law now allows for an interim gubernatorial appointment, for up to 160 days, at which point a special election must be held. The current governor is Republican, and his appointment will have a leg up in the next regular election, and he may be able to run in the special election as well. Picking Warren would concede a large but not insurmountable advantage to the Massachusetts Republicans. Democrats must feel confident that Warren's position can be refilled by another Democrat in mid-2017.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vacancies-in-the-united-states-senate.aspx

* Assuming a win, the move would also promote the highly competent Ed Markey to the position of senior Senator from Massachusetts, which certainly puts him in a position for higher office or future cabinet posts. Markey got his current post through a clever double-move by the Obama Administration after the death of Ted Kennedy, in which they moved John Kerry to Secretary of State and created two new powerhouse Senators (Warren and Markey) with the move.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=263986

* Democrats cannot make a move like this without conceding territory in the Senate, temporarily. That, in turn, could dramatically influence the course of events that President Clinton can follow in her first five months... UNLESS your internal polling suggests that Democrats are going to wind up holding somewhere around 53-59 seats in the Senate. That range is enough to control business in the Senate, but not enough to override a filibuster. It provides some padding to give a seat away, temporarily. The Warren hand-tip suggests that Democrats are now very confident about regaining a strong majority in the Senate.

* In retrospect it appears as if Mrs. Clinton has been carefully judging the reactions of voters as she appeared with or dangled potential running mates, including Tim Kaine just last week. I recall a hypothetical scenario poll from much earlier in the year that suggested that a Clinton/Warren ticket could defeat any combination of Republicans.

* Democrats must also have noted something about the "misogyny vector" which works in our favor. My current assumption is that the racists are the misogynists, so that doubling down on a female ticket doesn't change any minds on the Republican side, but it must have a net positive effect on Democratic and undecided voters. That squares well with my own personal bias, though, so it's not a solid guess like some of the above.

The Senate will sorely miss Mrs. Warren, if she accepts the nomination as running-mate. But Ed Markey is a superb replacement as senior Senator and Massachusetts has a deep bag of competent leadership which can replace Warren. Democrats must feel considerably more confident about the upcoming elections than I suspected, for Warren is an intrepid and potentially risky choice in several ways. Wonderful!

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Fingers crossed she's the VP pick! emulatorloo Jul 2016 #1
Very interesting...thanks for the link. n/t VOX Jul 2016 #2
... applegrove Jul 2016 #3
would it not be something DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #4
Maybe. I'm listening to Pregressive Radio on Sirius right now & the napi21 Jul 2016 #5
I just noticed that too, I instantly jumped over to DU to see everyones reaction... Firebrand Gary Jul 2016 #6
I REALLY REALLY hope that Clinton does decide to pick Warren. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #7
It would help, for sure.good insurance policy& her banking expertise lostnfound Jul 2016 #10
If Warren is not giving a speech Helen Borg Jul 2016 #8
Oh? Her Sister Jul 2016 #14
yep AntiBank Jul 2016 #16
The schedule is bare as of this moment. NONE of the VP candidates on it! Her Sister Jul 2016 #18
I saw posts that had her speaking on Monday AntiBank Jul 2016 #19
I read mercuryblues Jul 2016 #27
You know, they are called "conditionals" Helen Borg Jul 2016 #20
If blah blah I'll be so outraged! Her Sister Jul 2016 #21
I don't understand why you are so confrontational and snarky. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #23
Grrrrrrrrrrr grrrrrrrrrrrrr Her Sister Jul 2016 #24
What the hell is wrong with you? Why are you going nuts? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #46
lol! Her Sister Jul 2016 #47
That's your response? ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #48
Well, yeah. I mean she's an incredible asset to the party and she takes apart Trump every time she Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #17
It appears they keep screwing around with the speakers list to keep it in the news... bettyellen Jul 2016 #30
Yeah, that was kind of my other thought. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #38
I bet they are going to keep editing it for the next week, hee hee. bettyellen Jul 2016 #39
It certainly strikes me as the most exciting possibility. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #42
I'm excited enough I'm going to try and view some of both conventions with DUers. bettyellen Jul 2016 #43
Actually I tend to agree unless I'm misinterpreting the comment. Fla Dem Jul 2016 #31
Wow. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #9
Domain is purchased... PunkinPi Jul 2016 #28
Tentatively hoping she's not the running mate. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2016 #11
I'm sure they've done the numbers on who is their best option. OnDoutside Jul 2016 #15
Not just a "senate seat's worth".... Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #34
None of the people on Hillary's VP short list were on the schedule oberliner Jul 2016 #12
Am not on Warren's camp! Nonetheless I trust the nominee to choose! Her Sister Jul 2016 #13
That would make me very happy. Vinca Jul 2016 #22
Warren for President - 2024.!!! StopTheNeoCons Jul 2016 #25
The only problem with Senator Warren as a VP pick thucythucy Jul 2016 #26
Two words, people: Charlie Baker. Nedsdag Jul 2016 #29
I'm willing to chance that we can win the special election. Zynx Jul 2016 #33
The person Baker chooses JenniferJuniper Jul 2016 #35
My choice: Elizabeth Warren.. mountain grammy Jul 2016 #32
I thought she'd pick Warren to go against Christie flamingdem Jul 2016 #36
What?! Holy CRAP! sofa king Jul 2016 #37
I'd like to see this as an OP of its own Small Accumulates Jul 2016 #40
Okay, I'll do it. sofa king Jul 2016 #45
Thank you! n/t Small Accumulates Jul 2016 #49
Be still, my heart eleny Jul 2016 #41
I could be swayed by Warren as a VP. roamer65 Jul 2016 #44
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