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TeddyR

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41. Depending on the poll, something like 25-40% of Dems

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 06:08 PM

Jul 2016

Admit to owning firearms. The Dem party platform states that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, and that position is completely consistent with the positions of both President Obama and Hillary Clinton (and Bernie Sanders). And I haven't seen any Dem on here who advocates "no gun restrictions," and I've seen very few opposed to "sensible" gun control laws, whatever that might mean. For example, most support universal background checks, even though they won't really make any difference. Some support an "assault weapons" ban, even though Obama administration officials have admitted that such a ban would have no impact on firearm violence (The Guardian had an article a couple weeks ago that discussed this fact). I support an individual right to keep and bear arms and I don't think that "gunz" are the reason criminals or terrorists act the way they do, just like I don't think trucks or planes caused the Nice attack or 9/11.

I myself have voted Dem since I first voted, for Dukakis in 1988. I've never voted for a Republican at any level. When I was in the Air Force I had an officer ask me to move my car behind the building where we worked because the visiting general might not like my Clinton/Gore sticker. In other words, I feel like my Dem credentials are pretty good, and the idea that progressives on here who support the Second Amendment aren't "real" Democrats is not only offensive but flatly wrong. What other litmus tests are we going to impose on DU members?

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Why are the gun defenders here? [View all] SCantiGOP Jul 2016 OP

I ask this question repeatedly. Why is there even an area here dedicated to NRA talking points? villager Jul 2016 #1

If you want to ban progressive, pro-2A Democrats from "Democratic" Underground, see the Ads... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #175

I haven't seen ANY gun defenders Motley13 Jul 2016 #2

Look at any gun-related thread SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #6

Money, meet mouth Android3.14 Jul 2016 #48

Mouth, met money Android3.14 Jul 2016 #50

Spend 10 minutes browsing the RKBA forum SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #55

Democrats own firearms Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #64

I do not own a gun; but JG will defend the US Constitution. Jeffersons Ghost Jul 2016 #97

Good for you Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #98

Some around here don't like the Fifth either. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #171

So we should simply agree without discussing? krispos42 Jul 2016 #115

A CBS national reporter waltzed into a gun shop and had an AR-15 in less than an hour. Jim Beard Jul 2016 #276

But not a fully automatic AR-15 hack89 Jul 2016 #277

I believe she is also under investigation Separation Jul 2016 #283

And....? krispos42 Jul 2016 #285

The only way you can have missed those posts is by missing them on purpose Orrex Jul 2016 #7

All you have to do is go to the RKBA and 2nd Amendment group and you will see plenty of them. n/t doc03 Jul 2016 #9

Start here KeepItReal Jul 2016 #12

Oh you're not looking rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #13

Should have been here while they defended george zimmerman for stalking, intimidating, and killing Hoyt Jul 2016 #33

Give them a chance Bettie Jul 2016 #83

There are plenty of Democrats who are for gun control but not a complete ban Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #3

Most of us don't favor any such "complete ban" language rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #16

Those were the only threads that got the reaction the the OP is discussing today. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #53

There are quite a few on DU Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #65

Correct. Anyone in favor of gun control is called a 'gun grabber'. Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #87

And anyone NOT in favor ... Straw Man Jul 2016 #137

Careful with that 'gun grabber' when 'gun humper' & 'ammosexual' are in the air.... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #172

Absolutely no idea what that means. Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #174

Good. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #176

It was a joke Separation Jul 2016 #284

It's what sells guns. Jim Beard Jul 2016 #282

.+1 840high Jul 2016 #80

NRA has bots that monitor discussion forums and are alerted when applegrove Jul 2016 #4

Really? TeddyR Jul 2016 #59

I bet there's proof somewhere.... ileus Jul 2016 #122

Maybe it goes under heading: "First smelt it, Dealt it." Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #178

In part because the right to keep and bear arms is a civil liberty and needs defending aikoaiko Jul 2016 #5

not true - I have had conversations with a DUer who believes there should be ablsolutely NO DrDan Jul 2016 #27

Sure, and there are a few people who say to ban and confiscate every gun. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #35

"A DUer" "couple years back" "not going to look for it" = Milestones get no respect! Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #179

it still happened . . . but feel free to disrespect all you like DrDan Jul 2016 #181

In a hurricane of controller denigration, you have found a puff of insult? Impressive. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #186

I had one say that in a thread two days ago. Exilednight Jul 2016 #190

Link, or your claim is bullshit. n/t friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #195

there was a DU-2 poll related to gun restrictions - that poll showed 5 DUers who favored DrDan Jul 2016 #214

And one person calling for a complete ban on guns, which proves...what, exactly? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #231

there are multiple posts in this thread calling for evidence of DUers supporting no restrictions DrDan Jul 2016 #240

I'm pretty sure that current examples are whats being asked for, not 5 year old threads. N/T beevul Jul 2016 #246

I personally would not assume to know what a poster is asking for beyond DrDan Jul 2016 #256

Sure you wouldn't. beevul Jul 2016 #264

yet it represents evidence of no-restriction DUers, doesn't it - as asked for DrDan Jul 2016 #267

Not exactly, but you know that. beevul Jul 2016 #269

wow - that's quite a stretch - but totally in character for gunners DrDan Jul 2016 #271

Wow, that's quite a denial - but totally in character for anti-gunners. beevul Jul 2016 #273

yep - nothing concealed here DrDan Jul 2016 #274

Euromutt, Iverglas! God, it's a time warp. Hope they are all alive and kicking. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #259

Iverglas is on Discussionist. n/t Waldorf Jul 2016 #263

Really? Probably a better fit! Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #266

You know I can't link since it is against TOS to call out another member. Exilednight Jul 2016 #243

Then it should be easy for you to link to it then Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #201

I'm waiting to see that one too n/t shadowrider Jul 2016 #213

You know I can't link since it is against TOS to call out another member. Exilednight Jul 2016 #244

A link is not a callout Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #253

I think it 'exists' in the same way the purported 'NRA posting bounty' program does- friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #268

From the TOS Exilednight Jul 2016 #272

Well I tend to disagree Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #281

More likely you can't link because your claim is false. $50 to the Brady Campaign says so... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #262

Heh. More hazy recollections than actual events. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #209

Heh. DrDan Jul 2016 #241

Good job, Dr Dan SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #242

Palming off a 5 year old thread as one from 'a couple of days ago' isn't a good job, it's... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #265

2011, not "I had one say that in a thread two days ago." Fail. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #260

Awww you gave them a sadz! Rex Jul 2016 #219

As the saying went when I was a small iconoclast: Not hardly... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #232

Gun nuts are not exclusive to GOP liberal N proud Jul 2016 #8

Can you link to any post sarisataka Jul 2016 #10

OK, I'll alter my OP to say: SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #18

A change without meaning hack89 Jul 2016 #21

Thanks for proving my point SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #23

I disagree with your basic premise hack89 Jul 2016 #25

So, in your little part of the world, nearly every gun owner support gun control Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #90

The OP is about DU. hack89 Jul 2016 #95

Esoteric? Straw Man Jul 2016 #140

All that change does sarisataka Jul 2016 #24

"Help Help I'm Being Repressed !" is that what you're expecting? Demonaut Jul 2016 #63

What's sensible? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #66

FWIW, I think the 2nd amendment should be interpreted that way. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2016 #19

The purpose of the 2nd amendment was to keep the oppressed oppressed. hunter Jul 2016 #107

I find it interesting how many in the UK pretend WW2 pipoman Jul 2016 #124

I'm not sure where that came from. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2016 #149

i think beergood Jul 2016 #154

Surely not. But American citizens were in a position to help Britain, due to civilians jmg257 Jul 2016 #155

And after the war oneshooter Jul 2016 #157

With all those early-build Lend-Lease M1s. jmg257 Jul 2016 #163

About right. Straw Man Jul 2016 #139

I think that's a price worth paying for the difference in our rates of firearm deaths to you. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2016 #150

False equivalence. Straw Man Jul 2016 #191

"The purpose of the 2nd amendment was to allow the formulation of civilian militias" jmg257 Jul 2016 #153

Ties my stomach into knots every time we have a mass shooting. Laurian Jul 2016 #11

had a conversation here with a DUer who claims if relatives are involved in a shooting, they DrDan Jul 2016 #29

Link, please... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #162

here you go DrDan Jul 2016 #165

Which was a response to your 1 example from seven years previously... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #193

I was asked for an example of a mass murder by a CCW holder - which I provided (actually several) DrDan Jul 2016 #196

You have left out the reponse to your post 33 in that subthread: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #198

those family members do not count as mass murder victims - per that DUer DrDan Jul 2016 #200

Congratulations, you found one- BTW, I disagree with that poster friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #202

my original post on this subtopic did say "a DUer" - never claimed it was a majorty-view, DrDan Jul 2016 #205

Bernie Sanders voted against the Brady Bill. Nye Bevan Jul 2016 #14

Many Democrats like guns. ZombieHorde Jul 2016 #15

Democrats aren't opposed to hunting SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #22

Most people in the US hunt with rifles, as opposed to bows, ZombieHorde Jul 2016 #34

We stated Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #68

When people on this website shadowrider Jul 2016 #220

"weapons that should be restricted to military" beevul Jul 2016 #146

We are not talking about fishing and hunting (food anyway). Gunners support toting Hoyt Jul 2016 #36

The OP isn't very clear about that. ZombieHorde Jul 2016 #44

That is your threshold? SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #46

No, my threshold is scientific evidence. ZombieHorde Jul 2016 #76

Not allowing prisoners to have guns, is not anywhere near the restrictions we need on gun polluters Hoyt Jul 2016 #167

We don't need restrictions, we desire restrictions. ZombieHorde Jul 2016 #173

Yeah, like Martin Luther King and Malcolm X TampaAnimusVortex Jul 2016 #156

And it looks like his finger is on the trigger. shadowrider Jul 2016 #223

Most of the gun controllers on DU are urban Democrats who believe pipoman Jul 2016 #125

+1 DashOneBravo Jul 2016 #133

I would add that many Southern metropolises are made up of formerly "rural" people... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #184

Because of all the other important issues like choice, hack89 Jul 2016 #17

If they want to defend guns, fine. The ones that I really can't stand are the people who tell you Chakab Jul 2016 #20

You can discuss inaccurate info/reporting all you want. Just don't expect it to go unchallenged. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #189

This OP was alerted on! pangaia Jul 2016 #26

A "Dumb Alert" option would be cool. n/t Beartracks Jul 2016 #38

there is an option to say you think the alert was divisive or in bad faith. drray23 Jul 2016 #58

It's a big tent. egduj Jul 2016 #28

Trolls are everywhere randr Jul 2016 #30

From the 2012 DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM NashuaDW Jul 2016 #31

Say it isn't so Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #69

More importantly... yallerdawg Jul 2016 #148

"No Gun Restrictions" defenders AKA a big strawman. beevul Jul 2016 #32

There are those who support guns as vehemently as any right winger. Hoyt Jul 2016 #37

Yes, they're also Democrats, so whats your point? N/T beevul Jul 2016 #39

If you say so. Lots of Gungeoneers have been banned for their white wing ideology. Hoyt Jul 2016 #43

And some for being anti-gun trolls. beevul Jul 2016 #45

Hey, Cta102..c'mon over Nancyswidower Jul 2016 #101

A Discussionist Gunner. LMAO. What was your previous User Name here? Hoyt Jul 2016 #103

I don't own guns...don't like them...don't hate those that do.. Nancyswidower Jul 2016 #104

What did he say that was incorrect Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #70

A lot of these posts are illustrating your point Nevernose Jul 2016 #40

I think everyone got it.. pipoman Jul 2016 #127

Depending on the poll, something like 25-40% of Dems TeddyR Jul 2016 #41

Would not call myself a defender GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #42

I agree Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #71

I can agree 1939 Jul 2016 #94

There is some history here. Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #47

"Something happened?" MicaelS Jul 2016 #134

Can you back that assertion up with some examples from past party platforms? hack89 Jul 2016 #142

Let's look at the ebb and flow of Democratic Party interests in guns. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #180

The Beltway has become convinced the NRA is all powerful.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #49

Most RKBA supporters on DU don't believe in "no gun restrictions" Statistical Jul 2016 #51

I have never seen one that does Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #72

Because gun threads mean lots of clicks SwankyXomb Jul 2016 #52

Basically, my whole Ignore list CanonRay Jul 2016 #54

Because not all democrats agree on every single issue. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #56

To support fascists & spread RW propaganda. baldguy Jul 2016 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #160

Would that include those that suddenly embraced terrorist watch lists when guns were mentioned... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #233

No, but it does include those who ignore the terrorists in our midst baldguy Jul 2016 #234

Should they be "harassed, investigated & arrested for their political beliefs"? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #237

What I described is the fascist RW fantasy. Try to keep up. baldguy Jul 2016 #239

You embraced the terror watch lists when people you don't like became targets... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #261

Hey ... Jopin Klobe Jul 2016 #60

Heh. How much you think this social security recipient is getting? New car? Condo on South Beach? Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #194

FF intent recentevents Jul 2016 #61

And 30,000 + gun related deaths a year is enough of a reason WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2016 #81

You ready? 2/3 of those deaths are suicide. Just clearing it up. Thanx. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #275

Its because we refuse to REALLY effectively deal with the problem. jmg257 Jul 2016 #164

thats something i have wondered about as well. drray23 Jul 2016 #62

Wonder no more... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #197

A certain pro control host Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #210

Shhh. Save that one for future posts. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #217

I will defend the right of the GOP to bring their own toys to their own convention Doodley Jul 2016 #67

This might come as a shock to you but many Democrats own firearms and believe in the 2nd Waldorf Jul 2016 #73

Not if you had read this thread SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #74

Thats essentially nobody on DU. beevul Jul 2016 #96

I know, I bet he could not link to a single post Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #100

and who would those be Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #99

Yeah, they believe in lots of guns, public toting, stand your ground, no registration, etc. Hoyt Jul 2016 #84

If someone supports all other democratic party and progressive positions, but also PersonNumber503602 Jul 2016 #75

If you support the Democratic party position, as outlined in the party platform GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #88

Because a consistent position is.. virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #77

nothing inherently wrong with owning guns and all of us can't be hippie leftists. craigmatic Jul 2016 #78

Guns are not a partisan issue. JohnnyRingo Jul 2016 #79

because gun humping cowards are EVERYWHERE Skittles Jul 2016 #82

so you are calling fellow DU members Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #102

Gun Control begin at Home HockeyMom Jul 2016 #85

They like to rub it in our faces, they post with a smile on their face. Rex Jul 2016 #86

In a sea of controller insult, you discover a smiley face?? Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #199

LOL as if anyone is trying to take away your guns, please. Rex Jul 2016 #206

Another just-add-water narrative? Thought so. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #208

So, no proof at all. Just what I thought. Rex Jul 2016 #211

Sorry, but you asserted a position, you provide your proof. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #215

Boring, you again fail to claim who is coming for your guns. Rex Jul 2016 #218

In the Old School, that would be a wife-beating question, and I ain't been married. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #221

You made the claim of gun collectors yet you cannot produce any evidence of it. Rex Jul 2016 #224

Gun collector's "claim?" New to me. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #257

Got to get a brew since it's 100 goddam degrees here. Stay cool. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #225

Better be careful! Obama might jump out of the fridge and take your gunnz! Rex Jul 2016 #226

I've got an unrepairable .22 he can have in exchange for $30 worth of groceries! Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #255

Silly question. Lots of other reasons. Lots and lots. Silly silly silly. eom Festivito Jul 2016 #89

because their 2nd amendment right to a murder machine is more important than your right to live Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #91

�� WOLVERINES !!!1 VOX Jul 2016 #92

Pavlovian Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #93

Good question... why are YOU here? whistler162 Jul 2016 #105

i have hunted and owned guns for years but lately I have had to put some DU "gun humppers" .... Botany Jul 2016 #106

Who might those be? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #108

It was ME! I gotta a free cruise to Cedar Key, Florida! Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #203

I should have known Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #207

Well, you always fall for that cruise to Port Atrocity, TX. It's a scam! Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #212

I know, signed up at least a dozen times Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #228

Who is paid, paid by whom, and what is your evidence? Marengo Jul 2016 #110

No doubt and they try way too hard. Rex Jul 2016 #222

And just what DU members say that? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #229

When did Democrat=Anti-Gun? Calculating Jul 2016 #109

Their has always been some anti-gun Democrats.. virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #117

Because we are rights defenders. needledriver Jul 2016 #111

This.... Calculating Jul 2016 #112

A lot of it has to do with the controller crowd... TipTok Jul 2016 #113

EXACTLY.. virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #118

Do you blame all blacks, muslims, etc for what some in that group do? The Straight Story Jul 2016 #114

Because anti-gun bias is not rational, so it's not progressive either Albertoo Jul 2016 #116

i havnt seen many gun defenders either TroyJackson Jul 2016 #119

Guess you haven't spent any time in the Gungeon durring your one/two day membership. Hoyt Jul 2016 #128

Because some of us believe in the Constitution. All of it. LAGC Jul 2016 #120

Many of us are progressive on all rights... ileus Jul 2016 #121

Gunz are not "progressive," but nice to see you peeking out of the Gungeon. Hoyt Jul 2016 #129

Civil rights are progressive. beevul Jul 2016 #147

Gunz are not a civil right, and I detest gunners who try to elevate it to that level as if they were Hoyt Jul 2016 #169

Yes, gun ownership is a constitutionally protected civil right... beevul Jul 2016 #235

Your quote does not mention frigging gunz, nor are guns or gun lovers anywhere near those Hoyt Jul 2016 #236

I know its difficult for you... beevul Jul 2016 #245

Right wing interpretation, hopefully Court will change. Hoyt Jul 2016 #247

Accurate interpretation. beevul Jul 2016 #248

Why are warmonger defenders here? Bankster defenders? Corporation defenders? Scuba Jul 2016 #123

Yup.. G_j Jul 2016 #188

Why do urban Democrats pretend rural Democrats don't exist? pipoman Jul 2016 #126

Why do rural democrats have 10+ guns, tote in a relatively safe area, promote guns even though Hoyt Jul 2016 #130

None of your concern, that's why.. pipoman Jul 2016 #132

Gun Pollution is everyone's concern, should be yours too. Hoyt Jul 2016 #135

No, what is in someone's closet is none of your or my concern pipoman Jul 2016 #136

Unfortunately, you guys don't keep them in your closet. Tucking them in your pants and Hoyt Jul 2016 #145

so your ok with it beergood Jul 2016 #158

No, I'm fine with someone keeping one or two guns for hunting at home, (no semi-autos), and home Hoyt Jul 2016 #166

See - now that's sorta stating to get reasonable - guess my "bad hobby" isn't so bad! jmg257 Jul 2016 #168

Sorry, semi-autos are assault weapons as the term is commonly used. Will kill a lot of people, Hoyt Jul 2016 #170

No detachable mags, 8-rnd capacity, no funky stocks - very reasonable! nt jmg257 Jul 2016 #182

"Guns are not a "civil right,"" Everything in the Bill of Rights are civil rights. EX500rider Jul 2016 #230

Coming next from the gun bunnies SheriffBob Jul 2016 #249

This is as close as you can get. oneshooter Jul 2016 #250

Where I love, most people own some kind of gun... Adrahil Jul 2016 #131

Good, sounds like you could give them up -- semi-autos anyway -- for the good of society. Hoyt Jul 2016 #252

That's extremely unlikely to happen, of course... Adrahil Jul 2016 #258

Oh, so you are not just a hunter of meat to feed your family. Hoyt Jul 2016 #270

Needed to be said lillypaddle Jul 2016 #138

People who believe in the Bill of Rights shouldn't be allowed? LAGC Jul 2016 #141

Because the Democratic party supports the individual ownership of guns hack89 Jul 2016 #143

Some are just straight up right wing trolls Matrosov Jul 2016 #144

WoW, That thread is 5 years old... maser Jul 2016 #204

Some people see it that way HassleCat Jul 2016 #151

I'd like to see guns banned - it worked in Australia, but Democrats can be pro-gun Doodley Jul 2016 #152

Australia did not ban all guns hack89 Jul 2016 #279

Aren't you the one who claimed the founders intended people to possess only hunting weapons? Marengo Jul 2016 #159

They are here for this. MyNameGoesHere Jul 2016 #161

I support the constitution bighart Jul 2016 #177

Trash their group. Walk away Jul 2016 #183

I had a post removed by jury decision after pointing out the same thing Exilednight Jul 2016 #185

just a note: the NRA worked to DEFEAT Obama. G_j Jul 2016 #187

Says it all. SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #192

YEP. Rex Jul 2016 #216

And what percentage of gun owners are NRA members? nt hack89 Jul 2016 #280

Because here is home? LP2K12 Jul 2016 #227

Good thing there were people with guns in Nice and on the Wurzburg train Albertoo Jul 2016 #238

Probably for the same reason anoNY42 Jul 2016 #251

Neither you nor any govt. will take my firearms away from me. GOLGO 13 Jul 2016 #254

Controllers lose a lot of debates, here. No wonder they want us gone! Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #278

I just had a Opening Post on this topic locked in General Discussion... Jeffersons Ghost Jul 2016 #286