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In reply to the discussion: To my way of thinking, there are VERY few examples of "responsible" gun owners. [View all]Stinky The Clown
(68,953 posts)82. Couple of things:
First, While I'm a Democrat I am not in lock step. This is one of those points.
Next, and more importantly, what I propose does not require the repeal of the 2A. The 2A's allowing private gun ownership is an interpretation. I interpret it to mean what it says: a well regulated militia. See, here's what it says:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On December 15, 1791, the Bill of Rights was adopted, having been ratified by three-fourths of the states.
Let's parse a few words, okay?
"A well regulated militia" does not even hint at a bunch of heavily armed yahoos running around waving their guns like a Baathist at a wedding celebration. It more likely means something like a police force, a national guard, an army, a navy. But in my view, it means the cops, or the local constabulary if you prefer archaic English.
This is further undergirded by the next phrase: "necessary for the security of a free state". They wanted the cops to keep us safe.
But the biggest is the final phrase about abridging this right. Notice that the word "People" is capitalized. If it said "the right of people to keep and bear arms" then the bands of heavily armed yahoos is what the founding fathers envisioned. But that's to what they said. The word People has a capital P. Because it means not the individual, but society. It means society's right. The right of We The People, not the right of we people.
Not one word of the 2A needs to be changed to do what I wish to do.
So how does it get done?
Easy. It goes to the Supremes. Or Congress. It becomes a matter of rules and regulations, not Constitutional changes.
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To my way of thinking, there are VERY few examples of "responsible" gun owners. [View all]
Stinky The Clown
Jul 2016
OP
I have notice that their being armed to the teeth didn't actually prevent Cheney/Bush from stealing
villager
Jul 2016
#1
Should we also start thinking about restricting the first amendment too?
Bernielover357743
Jul 2016
#2
The last thing we need is a bunch of wingnuts running around "participating in law enforcement".
ronnie624
Jul 2016
#42
So, since many black men feel threatened and targeted by government tyranny then they are justified
blm
Jul 2016
#60
No rights are absolute. There are many restrictions/ limitations on the first amendment
etherealtruth
Jul 2016
#121
Criminologists will tell you that it's a small percentage of folks who commit most crime.
X_Digger
Jul 2016
#21
I'm not the one freaking out and blaming 0.05% of gun owners. If there's someone paranoid..
X_Digger
Jul 2016
#54
Actually seems quite doable to identify potential gun violent perpetrators. Chicago,
jmg257
Jul 2016
#126
Not 5%, 0.5%. Half a percent. (I'm not commenting on the other subject, I haven't read that thread.)
X_Digger
Jul 2016
#94
Since about 0.003% of the firearms in this Country are used to murder someone, I'd say the other
Waldorf
Jul 2016
#12
I guess you better raid my liquor cabinet. I'm responsible drinker, until I'm not.
Waldorf
Jul 2016
#23
I agree with you. Notice how panicked the gop is now about open carry in front of their convention
MariaThinks
Jul 2016
#80
Believe me, if gun owners where the "problem" you pretend them to be..
virginia mountainman
Jul 2016
#15
Then, as the OP states, you support the right of crazy guys and would-be mass shooters to own guns.
Doodley
Jul 2016
#41
In my opinion, in that situation, the driver would be starting the violence.
ZombieHorde
Jul 2016
#59
So then we go back to the original thought. Killing cops is okay in your book.
Stinky The Clown
Jul 2016
#89
For the sake of argument, I will stipulate that you're a model gun owner
Stinky The Clown
Jul 2016
#51
Parse all you want to, but you just lost your own argument by acknowledging this....
Ghost in the Machine
Jul 2016
#102
Don't equate some yahoos with a gun fetish to real patriots who would spill their blood if needed.
Stinky The Clown
Jul 2016
#85
And I think *your* views on gun owners are on a par with Pam Geller's views on Muslims
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2016
#129
We might as well start with the known <1% responsible for 70-80% of gun crimes.
jmg257
Jul 2016
#114
Gunners consider George Zimmerman a responsible gun owner, his Killing T Martin is counted
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#132
Isn't being a "responsible gun owner" like being a "responsible flame thrower owner"?
BlueStater
Jul 2016
#133
If you own bows and arrows just for the sake of owning bows and arrows, it's irresponsible.
BlueStater
Jul 2016
#143
Yup - no purpose, unless of course you want to burn something, or shoot something.
jmg257
Jul 2016
#135