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Orrex

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45. Your expertise is greatly valuable to us

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 09:58 AM

Jul 2016

Having on one occason left a restaurant after ordering (but not eating) my food, I'm saddened to learn that I am a criminal. Please share the specific statute that covers this kind of situation.

Thank you!

Now that I think of it, I once had to have an employee search for an item in a store's backroom inventory. I thereafter opted to exit the store without purchasing it, even after the employee had labored to produce it. Was I a criminal then, too?

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Being confronted by armed strangers in what should be a secure place... [View all] mia Jul 2016 OP

You've hit on our only real hope in this capitalist utopia, Mia. PatrickforO Jul 2016 #1

The pocketbook counts more than anything mia Jul 2016 #10

Some stores ask patrons to not display their weapons: tblue37 Jul 2016 #77

Thanks for the information. mia Jul 2016 #133

may you have better luck than I did. when I told a local business owner that I would no longer niyad Jul 2016 #136

Damn! But...cheer up. Because, what if 75% of his customers PatrickforO Jul 2016 #142

alas, this is an open carry state that recalled two state senators for the merest hint niyad Jul 2016 #149

everyone shoud have a bunch... chillfactor Jul 2016 #2

Or leave them in your abandoned cart. pamela Jul 2016 #12

The manager at my grocery store FuzzyRabbit Jul 2016 #14

John Crawford would like to know more. N/t beevul Aug 2016 #151

P.S. chillfactor Jul 2016 #3

Thank you. Feel free to share this far and wide. mia Jul 2016 #5

That's an interesting tactic. ZombieHorde Jul 2016 #4

Hopeful that this will come to be. mia Jul 2016 #6

I don't need it in my city. The penalty for open carry is often death. hunter Jul 2016 #7

hello Skittles Jul 2016 #11

oh there's plenty of danger in rural areas IronLionZion Jul 2016 #13

Those "crazed drug addicts" are relatives and neighbors... hunter Jul 2016 #94

! mia Jul 2016 #134

Why is it that the biggest open carry assholes only do it in places where there's no danger at all? Iggo Jul 2016 #38

My son watched one of his friends murdered dumbcat Jul 2016 #67

The RW scumnuts think we are therefore afraid to look at a gun. 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #8

Empathy. mia Jul 2016 #135

Perfect for restaurants, just as the food arrives at the table. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #9

That's theft... TipTok Jul 2016 #16

And it's exactly what these gun-toting gun-nuts deserve. StrictlyRockers Jul 2016 #17

No Sam here... TipTok Jul 2016 #18

It's not theft if I don't eat it. StrictlyRockers Jul 2016 #19

Give it a go and see what happens... TipTok Jul 2016 #20

Let us know how it goes when you use them Lonusca Jul 2016 #21

Would you actually pay for a meal if you were forced to eat it somewhere where you felt threatened? StrictlyRockers Jul 2016 #24

So a KKK member can dine and dash on his meal... TipTok Jul 2016 #31

So according to your analogy, skin is just as threatening as a gun. StrictlyRockers Jul 2016 #131

I know you do... TipTok Jul 2016 #146

That's a TERRIBLE analogy! You should be ashamed of yourself!!! adigal Jul 2016 #139

In the other guy's mind... TipTok Jul 2016 #147

. Old Crow Jul 2016 #141

Bullshit...... Logical Jul 2016 #40

Again... Basic understanding of law... TipTok Jul 2016 #42

Your expertise is greatly valuable to us Orrex Jul 2016 #45

Did you pay for the food that you ordered? TipTok Jul 2016 #46

The statute, please. Orrex Jul 2016 #50

You are asking for the specific statute that says ordering services and refusing to pay for them... TipTok Jul 2016 #53

Yes. Why can't you provide it? Orrex Jul 2016 #54

You mean like Texas Penal Code § 31.04. Theft of Service ? X_Digger Jul 2016 #60

Again... TipTok Jul 2016 #66

No, obviously. Orrex Jul 2016 #68

How will they know my intent? Logical Jul 2016 #47

What will you say when the police ask you why you left? TipTok Jul 2016 #51

You didn't answer the question Orrex Jul 2016 #55

I saw a gun, made me nervous, so i left, too many mass shootings lately and.... Logical Jul 2016 #62

Nice post, criminal Orrex Jul 2016 #64

He should say 'ok' and give you your ticket... TipTok Jul 2016 #65

A ticket for what? Orrex Jul 2016 #69

General response, with quote of actual Theft/Services law...it would be a misdemeanor if... jmg257 Jul 2016 #83

Umm, read the last sentence of your quote.. X_Digger Jul 2016 #87

Understood. As I said - expect to be arrested if a complaint is filed. jmg257 Jul 2016 #88

You gave more info in one post that the other DUer gave in 20 Orrex Jul 2016 #91

No worries - glad I could help! :) jmg257 Jul 2016 #92

You mean like these? X_Digger Jul 2016 #95

How would you gauge their intent? Pretty high, no? jmg257 Jul 2016 #98

Intent is presumed when you 'abscond' without paying. X_Digger Jul 2016 #99

Understood, so because your intent is presumed, are you guilty of Theft/Services jmg257 Jul 2016 #101

What a silly statement. If you intended to pay, but had no money, does that mean you're not guilty? X_Digger Jul 2016 #102

HUH? If you ordered when you had no money, then you had intent...you dash - you are guilty. jmg257 Jul 2016 #106

Yeah, considering that's the whole gist of this thread (leaving a card explaining why you left..) X_Digger Jul 2016 #107

Depends on your state... TipTok Jul 2016 #121

Great. Now answer the rest of the question. Orrex Jul 2016 #123

Sure it is. Stryder Jul 2016 #132

Because you weren't charged, it isn't a crime?? That's not.. logical. n/t X_Digger Jul 2016 #63

True. Like jaywalking and speeding. Logical Jul 2016 #70

Therefore neither is a crime?? Errr... X_Digger Jul 2016 #71

When did i say that? I know guns are your deal, but some people are scared of them...... Logical Jul 2016 #72

Getting away with a crime makes it okay, then? Hrmm. That's.. odd. n/t X_Digger Jul 2016 #73

Not a crime to not pay for a meal when you are too nervous to eat it.... Logical Jul 2016 #75

Yes, it's called theft of service. If you're upset / nervous, pay and leave. X_Digger Jul 2016 #76

More bullshit..... Logical Jul 2016 #78

It's a class C misdemeanor in Texas (for less than $100). I cited the statute upthread. X_Digger Jul 2016 #79

Nope, contract debt, lol! Logical Jul 2016 #80

Here's the statute.. again.. X_Digger Jul 2016 #81

If the intent from the beginning was not to pay! Wow, are you really not understanding.... Logical Jul 2016 #82