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58. When I moved to Arizona, I did not know it was an open carry state ...

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 10:39 AM

Jul 2016

hell, I didn't know there was such an animal as open carry ...

On the first Monday, I went to a bank to open accounts. There were about 7 people in line; 2 in front of me and several behind me.

Being from a large City, I tend towards being situationally aware; but, on this day, I was kind of distracted with all the stuff I had to do to get settled into my new home.

Well, I look down at the guy next in line and saw a gun, and immediately thought, "Aw man! I done walked into a hold-up" and stepped out of line and was headed to the door.

Then, it dawned on me, the security guard could clearly see the guy with the gun and he didn't seem concerned.

So I stood by the door and waited for the guy to finish his business.

Another open carry story:

On his first visit to Arizona, my Dad (the cop), my Mom, my sister, and I went out to a bar that served great burgers. We were chatting along when my Dad got suddenly quite and (since I was seating next to him) I could see him reaching for his gun.

I followed his eyes, and kind of chuckled, as I leaned towards him and told him, "It's okay ... you can carry a gun in Arizona, so long as it's visible."

My Dad looked at me like I was crazy, then said, "Didn't they learn from Tombstone ... Guns and alcohol don't mix?" He insisted that we finish our burgers and leave.

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Being confronted by armed strangers in what should be a secure place... [View all] mia Jul 2016 OP

You've hit on our only real hope in this capitalist utopia, Mia. PatrickforO Jul 2016 #1

The pocketbook counts more than anything mia Jul 2016 #10

Some stores ask patrons to not display their weapons: tblue37 Jul 2016 #77

Thanks for the information. mia Jul 2016 #133

may you have better luck than I did. when I told a local business owner that I would no longer niyad Jul 2016 #136

Damn! But...cheer up. Because, what if 75% of his customers PatrickforO Jul 2016 #142

alas, this is an open carry state that recalled two state senators for the merest hint niyad Jul 2016 #149

everyone shoud have a bunch... chillfactor Jul 2016 #2

Or leave them in your abandoned cart. pamela Jul 2016 #12

The manager at my grocery store FuzzyRabbit Jul 2016 #14

John Crawford would like to know more. N/t beevul Aug 2016 #151

P.S. chillfactor Jul 2016 #3

Thank you. Feel free to share this far and wide. mia Jul 2016 #5

That's an interesting tactic. ZombieHorde Jul 2016 #4

Hopeful that this will come to be. mia Jul 2016 #6

I don't need it in my city. The penalty for open carry is often death. hunter Jul 2016 #7

hello Skittles Jul 2016 #11

oh there's plenty of danger in rural areas IronLionZion Jul 2016 #13

Those "crazed drug addicts" are relatives and neighbors... hunter Jul 2016 #94

! mia Jul 2016 #134

Why is it that the biggest open carry assholes only do it in places where there's no danger at all? Iggo Jul 2016 #38

My son watched one of his friends murdered dumbcat Jul 2016 #67

The RW scumnuts think we are therefore afraid to look at a gun. 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #8

Empathy. mia Jul 2016 #135

Perfect for restaurants, just as the food arrives at the table. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #9

That's theft... TipTok Jul 2016 #16

And it's exactly what these gun-toting gun-nuts deserve. StrictlyRockers Jul 2016 #17

No Sam here... TipTok Jul 2016 #18

It's not theft if I don't eat it. StrictlyRockers Jul 2016 #19

Give it a go and see what happens... TipTok Jul 2016 #20

Let us know how it goes when you use them Lonusca Jul 2016 #21

Would you actually pay for a meal if you were forced to eat it somewhere where you felt threatened? StrictlyRockers Jul 2016 #24

So a KKK member can dine and dash on his meal... TipTok Jul 2016 #31

So according to your analogy, skin is just as threatening as a gun. StrictlyRockers Jul 2016 #131

I know you do... TipTok Jul 2016 #146

That's a TERRIBLE analogy! You should be ashamed of yourself!!! adigal Jul 2016 #139

In the other guy's mind... TipTok Jul 2016 #147

. Old Crow Jul 2016 #141

Bullshit...... Logical Jul 2016 #40

Again... Basic understanding of law... TipTok Jul 2016 #42

Your expertise is greatly valuable to us Orrex Jul 2016 #45

Did you pay for the food that you ordered? TipTok Jul 2016 #46

The statute, please. Orrex Jul 2016 #50

You are asking for the specific statute that says ordering services and refusing to pay for them... TipTok Jul 2016 #53

Yes. Why can't you provide it? Orrex Jul 2016 #54

You mean like Texas Penal Code § 31.04. Theft of Service ? X_Digger Jul 2016 #60

Again... TipTok Jul 2016 #66

No, obviously. Orrex Jul 2016 #68

How will they know my intent? Logical Jul 2016 #47

What will you say when the police ask you why you left? TipTok Jul 2016 #51

You didn't answer the question Orrex Jul 2016 #55

I saw a gun, made me nervous, so i left, too many mass shootings lately and.... Logical Jul 2016 #62

Nice post, criminal Orrex Jul 2016 #64

He should say 'ok' and give you your ticket... TipTok Jul 2016 #65

A ticket for what? Orrex Jul 2016 #69

General response, with quote of actual Theft/Services law...it would be a misdemeanor if... jmg257 Jul 2016 #83

Umm, read the last sentence of your quote.. X_Digger Jul 2016 #87

Understood. As I said - expect to be arrested if a complaint is filed. jmg257 Jul 2016 #88

You gave more info in one post that the other DUer gave in 20 Orrex Jul 2016 #91

No worries - glad I could help! :) jmg257 Jul 2016 #92

You mean like these? X_Digger Jul 2016 #95

How would you gauge their intent? Pretty high, no? jmg257 Jul 2016 #98

Intent is presumed when you 'abscond' without paying. X_Digger Jul 2016 #99

Understood, so because your intent is presumed, are you guilty of Theft/Services jmg257 Jul 2016 #101

What a silly statement. If you intended to pay, but had no money, does that mean you're not guilty? X_Digger Jul 2016 #102

HUH? If you ordered when you had no money, then you had intent...you dash - you are guilty. jmg257 Jul 2016 #106

Yeah, considering that's the whole gist of this thread (leaving a card explaining why you left..) X_Digger Jul 2016 #107

Depends on your state... TipTok Jul 2016 #121

Great. Now answer the rest of the question. Orrex Jul 2016 #123

Sure it is. Stryder Jul 2016 #132

Because you weren't charged, it isn't a crime?? That's not.. logical. n/t X_Digger Jul 2016 #63

True. Like jaywalking and speeding. Logical Jul 2016 #70

Therefore neither is a crime?? Errr... X_Digger Jul 2016 #71

When did i say that? I know guns are your deal, but some people are scared of them...... Logical Jul 2016 #72

Getting away with a crime makes it okay, then? Hrmm. That's.. odd. n/t X_Digger Jul 2016 #73

Not a crime to not pay for a meal when you are too nervous to eat it.... Logical Jul 2016 #75

Yes, it's called theft of service. If you're upset / nervous, pay and leave. X_Digger Jul 2016 #76

More bullshit..... Logical Jul 2016 #78

It's a class C misdemeanor in Texas (for less than $100). I cited the statute upthread. X_Digger Jul 2016 #79

Nope, contract debt, lol! Logical Jul 2016 #80

Here's the statute.. again.. X_Digger Jul 2016 #81

If the intent from the beginning was not to pay! Wow, are you really not understanding.... Logical Jul 2016 #82