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jmg257

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116. That's the ticket! Gotta start somewhere.

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 12:40 PM

Jul 2016

And you can avoid immediately tangling with all the millions and millions of lawful people who are "part of the problem", long drawn-out constitutional battles, Justices like Stevens who agree in the individual right, etc. and still reduce gun violence by 70%.

Win-win.

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To my way of thinking, there are VERY few examples of "responsible" gun owners. [View all] Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 OP

I have notice that their being armed to the teeth didn't actually prevent Cheney/Bush from stealing villager Jul 2016 #1

Should we also start thinking about restricting the first amendment too? Bernielover357743 Jul 2016 #2

The Swizz modle is what safeinOhio Jul 2016 #6

Without getting into the issue of gun control, a side note: citood Jul 2016 #69

Have to deal with that nasty fifth sarisataka Jul 2016 #10

That's the dream... TipTok Jul 2016 #99

Read your spew. Thank you for making my point Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #13

Wow. You really fit the kook mold. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #18

The last thing we need is a bunch of wingnuts running around "participating in law enforcement". ronnie624 Jul 2016 #42

So, since many black men feel threatened and targeted by government tyranny then they are justified blm Jul 2016 #60

Well for one... philosslayer Jul 2016 #68

It is restricted treestar Jul 2016 #71

No rights are absolute. There are many restrictions/ limitations on the first amendment etherealtruth Jul 2016 #121

That's because they never make the news B2G Jul 2016 #3

Kinda what I was thinking... StraightRazor Jul 2016 #83

Your way of thinking is very black and white... Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #4

Fuck grey Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #14

That is just silly. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #27

I'd like to see the papers Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #35

Here ya go Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #38

That's just a blank Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #40

Sorry about that Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #45

Hahaha And you call me silly. :) Come on Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #48

Oh... this is about saving lives? TipTok Jul 2016 #100

Nanny-staters are only lancer78 Jul 2016 #139

The first step to improvement GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #5

99.5% of gun owners are 'responsible gun owners'. X_Digger Jul 2016 #7

That makes too many that aren't. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #11

Criminologists will tell you that it's a small percentage of folks who commit most crime. X_Digger Jul 2016 #21

Yeah, yeah, yeah. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #25

Math not your strong suit? X_Digger Jul 2016 #30

Take your paranoia back to the Gungeon. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #50

I'm not the one freaking out and blaming 0.05% of gun owners. If there's someone paranoid.. X_Digger Jul 2016 #54

Why then, do you want to make it about the ones that are... beevul Jul 2016 #119

Which ones are "reponsible"? How do we recognize them? TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #122

The difference between responsible and irresponsivble, is behavior. beevul Jul 2016 #123

Uh-huh. I see. After it is too late, TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #124

Thats what laws are for, application against those who commit a crime. beevul Jul 2016 #125

Actually seems quite doable to identify potential gun violent perpetrators. Chicago, jmg257 Jul 2016 #126

Interesting comparison treestar Jul 2016 #75

Not 5%, 0.5%. Half a percent. (I'm not commenting on the other subject, I haven't read that thread.) X_Digger Jul 2016 #94

I support the individual right to keep and bear arms TeddyR Jul 2016 #8

I do not Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #16

Understood TeddyR Jul 2016 #26

Do you have any proposals sarisataka Jul 2016 #9

Just a little over the top there bud Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #19

It seems to be sarisataka Jul 2016 #24

Initially? Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #29

You still have a fifth amendment issue sarisataka Jul 2016 #36

Read the remarks in the OP Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #37

it is a bit to restrictive for my taste sarisataka Jul 2016 #46

That amendment, per both parties, has no real standing. Exilednight Jul 2016 #104

**cough**BS**cough** Lurker Deluxe Jul 2016 #105

it's not utter bullshit, and as per your example, yes they can. Exilednight Jul 2016 #112

Doesn't say what you stated Lurker Deluxe Jul 2016 #117

The trouble with trampling rights sarisataka Jul 2016 #106

And they don't surrender, then ... Igel Jul 2016 #49

Yanno, Australia did it. Not long ago. Peacefully. Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #56

Australia did what, exactly? beevul Jul 2016 #120

Since about 0.003% of the firearms in this Country are used to murder someone, I'd say the other Waldorf Jul 2016 #12

Until they're not Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #20

I guess you better raid my liquor cabinet. I'm responsible drinker, until I'm not. Waldorf Jul 2016 #23

There ya go. Deflection and obfuscation Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #31

OMI GOD.. virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #32

I agree with you. Notice how panicked the gop is now about open carry in front of their convention MariaThinks Jul 2016 #80

Go dig up a pre-cog... TipTok Jul 2016 #101

Most, the great majority, never become "not". beevul Jul 2016 #108

that's all it takes to kill a lot of people these days. MariaThinks Jul 2016 #81

Believe me, if gun owners where the "problem" you pretend them to be.. virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #15

You are welcome to do whatever the fuck you wanna do Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #22

Ok, you can do that..No problem with it. virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #28

What's next? Blood on the tree of liberty? Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #33

Will you defend the right of others with bad intention to do the same? Doodley Jul 2016 #43

If they make their intentions known.. virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #55

The mass shooters never are. Doodley Jul 2016 #58

Your "way of thinking" needs improvement then. FLPanhandle Jul 2016 #17

Then, as the OP states, you support the right of crazy guys and would-be mass shooters to own guns. Doodley Jul 2016 #41

Semi automatic weapons Abq_Sarah Jul 2016 #96

I don't own a gun, but if police can have guns then ZombieHorde Jul 2016 #34

So you're okay with killing cops? Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #39

If a human is trying to kill you, ZombieHorde Jul 2016 #44

I hear what you are saying, but how does that work in practice? Doodley Jul 2016 #53

In my opinion, in that situation, the driver would be starting the violence. ZombieHorde Jul 2016 #59

Follow that thought out a little more Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #70

How about a country where some demographics are ZombieHorde Jul 2016 #88

So then we go back to the original thought. Killing cops is okay in your book. Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #89

My old answer still applies. lol nt ZombieHorde Jul 2016 #93

I've owned guns responsibly my whole adult life AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #47

For the sake of argument, I will stipulate that you're a model gun owner Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #51

You'll never hear about a responsible gun owner. egduj Jul 2016 #52

I will never hear of one because they don't exist. Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #57

I grew up with responsible gun owners left-of-center2012 Jul 2016 #61

I smiled when I read your OP for two reasons. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #62

The vast majority of gun owners are responsible, guillaumeb Jul 2016 #63

The issues not so cut and dry UnFettered Jul 2016 #64

So which is it really? Oneka Jul 2016 #65

Oh, they're ALL responsible, right up to the moment they aren't. VOX Jul 2016 #66

I like to think we are snpsmom Jul 2016 #67

That is a good point about treestar Jul 2016 #72

If there are no other guns then they don't need them off duty either. Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #73

I'm surprised they are not treestar Jul 2016 #74

Well the Democratic party disagrees with you. Statistical Jul 2016 #76

Couple of things: Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #82

Hate to break it to you but it isn't capitalized in the original. Statistical Jul 2016 #86

I stand by my interpretation. Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #87

It is very creative. Nt jmg257 Jul 2016 #91

Parse all you want to, but you just lost your own argument by acknowledging this.... Ghost in the Machine Jul 2016 #102

Most rural gun owners are responsible Warpy Jul 2016 #77

silly, not well thought out rambling post AntiBank Jul 2016 #78

No need to repeal the 2A Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #84

it will never happen, these threads are such a waste of time AntiBank Jul 2016 #90

But they sure do draw clicks! Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #92

People slow down at car crashes, too. nt Lonusca Jul 2016 #107

You are allowed to think anyway you want. Lance Bass esquire Jul 2016 #79

Don't equate some yahoos with a gun fetish to real patriots who would spill their blood if needed. Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #85

Thank goodness for the disclaimer. Dumbest thing I've read all day. n/t flvegan Jul 2016 #95

Guns suck!!! StrictlyRockers Jul 2016 #97

Speak for yourself.. virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #98

lol... that reminds me of this teeshirt: EX500rider Jul 2016 #127

Now that's progressive... ileus Jul 2016 #103

Blame math... beevul Jul 2016 #109

Or Guns Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #110

No. beevul Jul 2016 #111

See, here's the thing. I think your view is ABHORRENT Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #113

No, not silly and misguided. Abhorrent and offensive. beevul Jul 2016 #118

And I think *your* views on gun owners are on a par with Pam Geller's views on Muslims friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #129

That's just slightly off base Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #131

We might as well start with the known <1% responsible for 70-80% of gun crimes. jmg257 Jul 2016 #114

Melt 'em Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #115

That's the ticket! Gotta start somewhere. jmg257 Jul 2016 #116

Well, heck, Stinky.............. raven mad Jul 2016 #128

I guess Obama is part of the "gun problem" in your words. former9thward Jul 2016 #130

Gunners consider George Zimmerman a responsible gun owner, his Killing T Martin is counted Hoyt Jul 2016 #132

Isn't being a "responsible gun owner" like being a "responsible flame thrower owner"? BlueStater Jul 2016 #133

Flame throwers are actually classified as agricultural equipment... beevul Jul 2016 #134

They're weapons. They were first used during World War I. BlueStater Jul 2016 #136

Thats your opinion. beevul Jul 2016 #137

Yeah, it's my opinion and I'm expressing it. BlueStater Jul 2016 #138

Are those goalposts heavy? beevul Jul 2016 #140

Your arms must be straining from all the reaching you're doing. BlueStater Jul 2016 #141

ROFL. Its YOUR criteria. beevul Jul 2016 #142

If you own bows and arrows just for the sake of owning bows and arrows, it's irresponsible. BlueStater Jul 2016 #143

And how do you feel about crossbows? oneshooter Jul 2016 #144

Yup - no purpose, unless of course you want to burn something, or shoot something. jmg257 Jul 2016 #135

8 year old Port Orange Florida boy onethatcares Jul 2016 #145

Funny story REP Jul 2016 #146