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Warren DeMontague

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82. Sure, and people have been predicting total doom for humanity since forever, too.

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 10:01 PM

Jul 2016

If Skunk Works manages to get their fusion project working- a longshot, to be sure- then part of the point of their project is to make it scalable, mass producible, and low cost/not a "massive construction project" at all.

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html

I don't believe the hype, necessarily, but I also don't believe the "fuck it, we're doomed, there's no hope" stuff either.

4 billion years of life surviving, we're going to survive the next hundred years too.

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With an unstoppable global warming, overpopulation, and food and water shortages. [View all] Dawgs Jul 2016 OP

You know that's your perspective rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #1

My "perspective" is based on science and facts. Changing my opinion won't make a difference. Dawgs Jul 2016 #8

Lol I'm a biologist rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #14

Got it. Humans are incapable of not reproducing because they are dumb animals that like fucking. Dawgs Jul 2016 #100

Lol alas a true one rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #115

That's not what essme Jul 2016 #138

It pretty much is Dawgs Jul 2016 #142

I would say woman continued to Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #121

Who said it will all be ok? rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #125

I am indeed saying woman had no choice Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #137

We are talking past each other rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #139

BS. Many people want children but still choose not to have them. Dawgs Jul 2016 #143

Of course and so what? rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #145

I'm thrilled when people have kids yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #18

I'm not convinced about that. it seems that since the 1980s that the world Exilednight Jul 2016 #54

+1 ChazII Jul 2016 #72

ye0man6987 and chazII - both + 1 calm_thinker Jul 2016 #80

Evolve? joeunderdog Jul 2016 #76

long term, temperatures are on a downward trend Angel Martin Jul 2016 #86

Long term, in how much of that timeline truebluegreen Jul 2016 #102

evolution occurred over millions of years nt Angel Martin Jul 2016 #118

Why, yes. Yes, it did. truebluegreen Jul 2016 #122

You expect human procreation to cease entirely and immediately? Marengo Jul 2016 #2

I never said it should end entirely and immediately. Dawgs Jul 2016 #4

Over population was once a big concern radical noodle Jul 2016 #28

Some, or all people? As it's written, your statement seems to suggest all people, everywhere. Marengo Jul 2016 #5

Well, you're wrong. nt Dawgs Jul 2016 #9

Well, toss some modifiers in there! Marengo Jul 2016 #10

Because sex is fun and feels incredible. Moostache Jul 2016 #3

A Human's ability to ignore the life-threatening climate catastrophe just around the corner... Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #6

Yep. Things really are that bad. Dawgs Jul 2016 #11

may I ask sweetapogee Jul 2016 #13

No. I'm not. nt Dawgs Jul 2016 #34

then sweetapogee Jul 2016 #92

No thanks. I trust others that do that for a living. Dawgs Jul 2016 #101

thanks for the advice!!!! sweetapogee Jul 2016 #113

It doesn't matter if you believe it or not. It is what it is. Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #16

I think you mis-read my post. Dawgs Jul 2016 #35

Ah, sorry. I took "why pay attention to scientists" as sarcasm... Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #49

Scientists had the world ending by now. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2016 #56

So because the world population MIGHT die out in 100 years, yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #19

How to you "deprive" a person who does not exist of anything? Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #23

I don't know yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #26

Do you read what you post? Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #123

+1 LiberalLoner Jul 2016 #62

Bollocks A HERETIC I AM Jul 2016 #75

Yes, humans survived the ice age, but Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #78

More bollocks A HERETIC I AM Jul 2016 #83

I won't be able to say "I told you so" because Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #84

And you're underestimating how dependent the majority modern humanity is on technology. Lancero Jul 2016 #88

The Clown said the human race will not exist in 100 years A HERETIC I AM Jul 2016 #89

Or maybe even a few thousand, or a few hundred thousand. Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #131

You must be a blast at parties n/t A HERETIC I AM Jul 2016 #132

And a scientist in this thread disagrees. What are your credentials? Marengo Jul 2016 #91

Are you a climate scientist who's sole job is to study global warming? Dawgs Jul 2016 #103

I made no such claim and was referencing post #14. Authored by a scientist... Marengo Jul 2016 #112

"refuting"? or disagreeing? There's a big difference. Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #116

Refuting may be too strong, but I believe this cycle of climate change will not cause... Marengo Jul 2016 #130

Quite telling Delphinus Jul 2016 #128

I understand what you are saying and it is from a point of compassion. glinda Jul 2016 #7

Short term beats long term, every time The2ndWheel Jul 2016 #12

Because it will get better. Glassunion Jul 2016 #15

That's not what the science is telling us NickB79 Jul 2016 #21

At a minimum... PoutrageFatigue Jul 2016 #25

"On track" assumes no game changing technological advances. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #32

failing that, our AI robot "progeny" will carry on eShirl Jul 2016 #93

Maybe they would if we actually used them truebluegreen Jul 2016 #104

Yes, we're so smart that an end-run around thermodynamics is just around the corner . . . hatrack Jul 2016 #117

end run around thermodynamics, no. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #119

I am afraid that is simply not true. Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #124

Okay, well, if I'm wrong then we're fucked anyway. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #127

I suppose that is true. Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #135

I LOVE this post! N/t Sissyk Jul 2016 #58

we could have already discovered all those things Skittles Jul 2016 #73

Indeed. Glassunion Jul 2016 #114

Should I apologize to my children for having them? Throd Jul 2016 #17

You can do whatever you want. Dawgs Jul 2016 #24

You would apologize to your own children... philosslayer Jul 2016 #68

Are we at peak scold yet? alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #20

Thread Win. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #30

We got a long way to go before we overpopulate the planet. Rex Jul 2016 #22

With humans it's also not just the raw number of people The2ndWheel Jul 2016 #40

We already comsume 2-1/2 planet's worth of renewable resources. Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #50

Nobody lives in the Star Trek fantasyland world, most are busy getting food and water. Rex Jul 2016 #51

. Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #52

+1 LiberalLoner Jul 2016 #61

Man will survive. Wayburn Jul 2016 #27

The planet will survive just fine. truebluegreen Jul 2016 #107

and what happens if Compact high beta Fusion comes online in the next couple decades? Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #29

In my 70 years I've seen so many miracle technologies that are ALWAYS just a few decades away... Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #81

Sure, and people have been predicting total doom for humanity since forever, too. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #82

4 billion years of life, most of it without humans, and most of the future also without humans. n/t Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #85

Like i said. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #87

I have 4 grandchildren who I love. skip fox Jul 2016 #31

I have a lot of young children in my life now. I love them all. Dawgs Jul 2016 #33

I felt that way 30 years ago, Dawgs Auggie Jul 2016 #36

And what is the fertility rate in the United States, currently? Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #38

US is ranked 124 with a fertility rate Revanchist Jul 2016 #41

Point being, in the developed world where people are free and have access to reproductive services Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #43

It's areas of the world where it doesn't that will drag us all down Auggie Jul 2016 #53

I come from a very long line of survivors. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #37

I guess it depends where you live seanbnewyork4 Jul 2016 #39

Because LWolf Jul 2016 #42

The government needs more taxpayers, not less. The2ndWheel Jul 2016 #44

That continuous growth model LWolf Jul 2016 #46

Social security is dead without it. philosslayer Jul 2016 #69

Not necessarily. LWolf Jul 2016 #70

Anything short of continuous growth creates social problems The2ndWheel Jul 2016 #79

That continuous growth model LWolf Jul 2016 #105

Civilization is a resource concentration mechanism The2ndWheel Jul 2016 #141

To be, of course. nt LWolf Jul 2016 #146

Except, in the US, the fertility rate is at about replacment levels. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #48

Population reduction LWolf Jul 2016 #66

I'm pro-choice. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #67

The planet's in it's 11th hour riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #45

That's how species survive jpak Jul 2016 #47

there is one question I think of DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #55

You must be fun at a baby shower. nt auntpurl Jul 2016 #57

Not everyone has such a depressing view of the world taught_me_patience Jul 2016 #59

Agreed with OP Calculating Jul 2016 #60

it makes me sad too undergroundpanther Jul 2016 #63

I thought the overall birthing population was leveling out though. romanic Jul 2016 #64

Leveling out rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #65

What if global warming caused the opposite? madville Jul 2016 #71

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #74

Poe's Law. ^^^ nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #95

individual baby announcements are fine Skittles Jul 2016 #77

Qualifiers-nice! calendargirl Jul 2016 #97

LOL Skittles Jul 2016 #120

This^^^^ Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #126

Perspective from a "breeder" here Zing Zing Zingbah Jul 2016 #90

The ignorance and denialism displayed on this thread is your answer. ronnie624 Jul 2016 #94

Because many of us are social creatures who enjoy a family life. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #96

I hear you, but... lapislzi Jul 2016 #98

Okay, but I never suggested that I make a choice for anyone else. nt Dawgs Jul 2016 #99

It's a common line of 'reasoning'. ronnie624 Jul 2016 #108

Sorry, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. lapislzi Jul 2016 #109

we already tried promoting family planning. 6chars Jul 2016 #106

Is this a joke? cosmicone Jul 2016 #110

Totally missed the point, but thanks for the kick. nt Dawgs Jul 2016 #111

Another Malthusian. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #129

Another one that missed the point. Dawgs Jul 2016 #134

That you think there should be less people? Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #136

I didn't say there should be less people. I said that I don't understand why people reproduce. Dawgs Jul 2016 #144

Not really. LOL. Since one leads to the other. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #147

Is climate change humanity's greatest-ever risk management failure? ronnie624 Jul 2016 #133

I remember hearing about ZPG (Zero Population Growth) in sixth grade. milestogo Jul 2016 #140