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47. Not sure if it's the earliest, but it's the earliest in print I could find.

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 03:29 PM

Jul 2016

*Disclaimer: This is a page from the Small Arms Identification and Operation Guide. It references that it replaces another document which I am having difficulty locating a free pdf or picture of.

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Here's a gun question: [View all] Exilednight Jul 2016 OP

First "define assault rifle" Logical Jul 2016 #1

I put an example in my question. Exilednight Jul 2016 #2

No you didn't, you made an inaccurate assumption. cleanhippie Jul 2016 #43

Here is a better "REAL GOOD" gun answer, w/ images and a short movie Jeffersons Ghost Jul 2016 #112

Wikipedia definition. B Calm Jul 2016 #71

What does "assault rifle" Even mean? Logical Jul 2016 #3

To many who defend the 2nd to the bitter end it supposedly Exilednight Jul 2016 #4

When has it meant anything differently? hack89 Jul 2016 #72

That's my question. When did it to come to strictly mean Exilednight Jul 2016 #75

I simply think it is the only definition that has ever been used hack89 Jul 2016 #76

So you are basing that definition on what you believe? Exilednight Jul 2016 #79

I can't find any examples of semi-auto rifles commonly being called assault rifles. hack89 Jul 2016 #83

Anything that can fire off more than two bullets without reloading. nt madinmaryland Jul 2016 #69

So a cap and ball revolver is an assault rifle? Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #81

Yes. nt madinmaryland Jul 2016 #82

So "assault rifles" were used in the Civil War? Straw Man Jul 2016 #100

Isn't it a good idea anoNY42 Jul 2016 #5

there is. one is called full-auto, the other is called semi-auto. Exilednight Jul 2016 #6

Are you objecting to the term "assault rifle" as it is commonly defined? anoNY42 Jul 2016 #18

I'm asking a question. everyone is trying to argue about Exilednight Jul 2016 #37

It is generally understood that "assault" rifles (can) opperate in "fully automatic" mode. jonno99 Jul 2016 #7

I know the difference, but that doesn't answer the question. Exilednight Jul 2016 #10

See #8 for a better answer than mine... jonno99 Jul 2016 #12

except that with mods like bump fire kits drray23 Jul 2016 #133

No. beevul Jul 2016 #143

It never was. Your question is actually reversed Statistical Jul 2016 #8

Legally it was defines to include the AR-15. Exilednight Jul 2016 #11

What is the "it" in your response? anoNY42 Jul 2016 #20

No it wasn't. Statistical Jul 2016 #21

No, you're confusing the term "assault rifle" with "assault weapon" aikoaiko Jul 2016 #56

No. you're confusing legally defined with legislatively defined. Exilednight Jul 2016 #59

Both were defined legislatively. beevul Jul 2016 #61

That's an interesting distinction. I'm fairly certain that legislative definitions supercede judges' aikoaiko Jul 2016 #64

My father was. He was first a corporate lawyer, made a ton of Exilednight Jul 2016 #66

Even if the judge's definition differs from a legislative definition? aikoaiko Jul 2016 #67

Yes. But it can change again if it's overturned by a higher court Exilednight Jul 2016 #73

Do we know of a judge determining that an AR15 is an 'assault rifle'? aikoaiko Jul 2016 #96

Used as a legal definition by whom? hardluck Jul 2016 #124

By anyone attempting to use legal language as part of their argument. Exilednight Jul 2016 #129

Been struggling with a response hardluck Jul 2016 #145

There are many possible ways. Exilednight Jul 2016 #146

"when did people decide an AR-15 WAS an assault rifle." - the REAL answer? When they saw jonno99 Jul 2016 #17

That's not what I asked, but thanks for playing. Exilednight Jul 2016 #38

You've been given lots of answers, yet dismiss them all because it's not what you want to hear. cleanhippie Jul 2016 #45

I'm not looking for a definition, I am looking for the historical Exilednight Jul 2016 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Jul 2016 #54

Neutral historical perspective. jmg257 Jul 2016 #55

Clarification. Straw Man Jul 2016 #105

Oh boy! SheriffBob Jul 2016 #9

Well, it is Guns Discussion -- the preferred site among three (3) for controller/banners. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #36

Perhaps this might help. ... spin Jul 2016 #13

"Assault Rifle" is a military term referring to specific characteristics of a firearm. Glassunion Jul 2016 #14

Who and when, that is all I am asking. Exilednight Jul 2016 #39

Who: U.S. Army When: November 1970 Glassunion Jul 2016 #41

Link? Exilednight Jul 2016 #42

Not sure if it's the earliest, but it's the earliest in print I could find. Glassunion Jul 2016 #47

Good stuff - thanks! nt jmg257 Jul 2016 #110

It was a desperate PR move by the gun industry and gun rights people. Paladin Jul 2016 #15

Really? First ad for the Colt AR-15. Ikonoklast Jul 2016 #107

See my reference to the MediaMatters article, down-thread. (nt) Paladin Jul 2016 #119

Hitler, when he coined the term "storm (assault) rifle" in 1944. jmg257 Jul 2016 #16

Ruh roh, the gun nomenclature circle jerk begins. Darb Jul 2016 #19

Ah homophobic terms sarisataka Jul 2016 #22

So............. Darb Jul 2016 #24

Don't worry sarisataka Jul 2016 #28

I think he was talking about "reach around"... anoNY42 Jul 2016 #29

Strictly men? Darb Jul 2016 #30

Well, if you want to get technical... anoNY42 Jul 2016 #31

Well, there ya go. Darb Jul 2016 #33

Was it Potter Stewart who said anoNY42 Jul 2016 #34

A magazine is something that holds ammunition and is then inserted into a weapon Separation Jul 2016 #147

Merci beaucoup. Darb Jul 2016 #149

For hunting, in most states its 5. Separation Jul 2016 #151

When I was a kid, we had to plug down to 3. Darb Jul 2016 #152

You are correct! I misspoke. Separation Jul 2016 #153

Important fact to keep in mind: Paladin Jul 2016 #154

Darb, if you are looking for a non-homophobic metaphor of this nature (caution)... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #44

I best cut my losses. Darb Jul 2016 #46

He's asking a question about nomenclature. Adrahil Jul 2016 #127

The Department of the Treasury, BATF workgroup in 1989, concurred... jmg257 Jul 2016 #23

That is a useful reference. Thank you. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #57

Because the gunners define "assault rifle" as fully automatic, even though common use includes Hoyt Jul 2016 #25

So does ATF. beevul Jul 2016 #63

It just proves you are WRONG and your attempts to promote more gunz are based on deceit. Hoyt Jul 2016 #65

The Germans during WWII Matrosov Jul 2016 #26

Always nice to see pro-gun militants showing such regard for Nazi Germany after all these years.(nt) Paladin Jul 2016 #131

Is that what this is all about? Straw Man Jul 2016 #136

Some times you people just ask for it. Paladin Jul 2016 #138

Ask for what? Straw Man Jul 2016 #140

How many people has Ted Nugent had killed while making records? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #142

Misfire! beevul Jul 2016 #144

The AR-15 does not fit the definition. GOLGO 13 Jul 2016 #27

sure that's an answer to some question, bit not what I asked. Exilednight Jul 2016 #40

You just opened yourself up for endless bullshit doc03 Jul 2016 #32

AR-15 is a shitty home defense weapon. Anyone who says otherwise Separation Jul 2016 #148

A round from an AR-15 will only go through 4 walls if you live in a grass shack... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #155

The ATF? ileus Jul 2016 #35

The most important thing is that we not offend gun advocates Orrex Jul 2016 #48

Actually, the most important "thing" is truth, not sloppy-handed deception. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #50

It's just common courtesy on a website where everyone is working towards the same goal... anoNY42 Jul 2016 #51

Yeah, gun advocates always say that. Orrex Jul 2016 #60

The AR-15 is hardly obscure anoNY42 Jul 2016 #113

Nonsense. All of it. Orrex Jul 2016 #114

Nobody here is really interested in serious discussions of gun control hack89 Jul 2016 #116

A serious discussion of your comments anoNY42 Jul 2016 #117

Well... Orrex Jul 2016 #118

Well anoNY42 Jul 2016 #120

For the most part, it appears that we agree. Orrex Jul 2016 #122

Precision. Straw Man Jul 2016 #139

Or at least make an attempt to be accurate and educated on the subject. You know, as would be... Marengo Jul 2016 #53

Why do you feel the need to be offensive? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #121

You don't seem to understand, so here is the most salient quote on his matter... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #49

Exilednight, here's some further information on the subject: Paladin Jul 2016 #58

I'm curious to know why this matters? TeddyR Jul 2016 #62

To some it does matter. What I really want to know is who actually Exilednight Jul 2016 #68

Fair enough TeddyR Jul 2016 #77

Lots of people have answered - you simply refuse to listen. hack89 Jul 2016 #78

No one has answered it. on what authority are we accepting this definition? Exilednight Jul 2016 #80

You were shown the legal definitions that the US government uses to classify rifles. hack89 Jul 2016 #84

Legal definitions aren't the cornerstone of English. There are reasons Exilednight Jul 2016 #88

You were shown the ATF definition hack89 Jul 2016 #85

The ATF decided? They were the first to use the assault rifle? Exilednight Jul 2016 #89

No - they ruled what was NOT an assault rifle hack89 Jul 2016 #90

Then that doesn't answer the question. Exilednight Jul 2016 #93

Why is this so important? hack89 Jul 2016 #97

It is the English translation of Sturmgewehr hack89 Jul 2016 #86

So Hitler invented it as a propaganda term. Exilednight Jul 2016 #91

You were told that several times. nt hack89 Jul 2016 #92

"Assault rifle" was originally a military term. Straw Man Jul 2016 #70

But who gave us the definition, and when? Exilednight Jul 2016 #94

Nobody "gave" the "definition." Straw Man Jul 2016 #99

The Germans, as has been pointed out Matrosov Jul 2016 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Jul 2016 #108

There used to be a real... deathrind Jul 2016 #74

My AR15 is a counter-assault rifle. ileus Jul 2016 #87

My Kitchen Aid is a Counter-Top mixer Glassunion Jul 2016 #95

Dealing with them MyNameGoesHere Jul 2016 #98

Who are you referring to? TeddyR Jul 2016 #101

U.S. Military handbook for the M16 Assault rifle. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #102

That is not a US military manual. Straw Man Jul 2016 #104

Yeah I was going to say same thing. The Army is kinda boring and just calls it the "M-16 Rifle". Statistical Jul 2016 #106

The Army should be the last ones to define anything. How many trucks Exilednight Jul 2016 #115

The Fedorov Avtomat would have been the first, though the Sturmgewehr 44 or StG 44 gave them Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #123

"Used by everyone"? N/T beevul Jul 2016 #125

More on Hitler, and the US Military Intelligence Service use of "assault rifle" in 1945 jmg257 Jul 2016 #109

It's interesting to see this downplaying the rifle. Adrahil Jul 2016 #126

If you're ever interested in the internecine squabbling on the issue DonP Jul 2016 #128

I actually own a Spencer. Adrahil Jul 2016 #132

I'm looking into a decent Sharps now DonP Jul 2016 #134

Yeah, a decent Sharps = $$$$$ Adrahil Jul 2016 #135

Yeah, it's definitely a "saving up for" project DonP Jul 2016 #137

I have another question ... Straw Man Jul 2016 #111

Feel free to start your own thread. Exilednight Jul 2016 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Jul 2016 #141

One thing for sure though Separation Jul 2016 #150