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In reply to the discussion: Damage shown from blast that stopped police-killing sniper [View all]Matrosov
(1,098 posts)87. He claimed he had planted explosive devices throughout Dallas
There was an excellent article that detailed some of the police negotiations with him. I'll try to find it again, meanwhile these have bits and pieces. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dallas-police-shooting-20160708-snap-story.html
Investigators discovered bomb-making materials, rifles and a personal journal of combat tactics in the home of the black former Army reservist who struck during a demonstration against the shooting of two black men by police officers in Minnesota and Louisiana.
The suspect said we will eventually find the IEDs, Brown said, a reference to explosives. He wanted to kill officers. And he expressed killing white people, killing white officers, he expressed anger for Black Lives Matter.
We saw no other option than to use our bomb robot and place a device on its extension to detonate where the suspect was, Brown said. Other options would have exposed our officers to grave danger.
We saw no other option than to use our bomb robot and place a device on its extension to detonate where the suspect was, Brown said. Other options would have exposed our officers to grave danger.
http://fox6now.com/2016/07/11/writing-in-blood-threats-of-bombs-the-latest-on-dallas-shooting-investigation/
During his hourslong standoff with police, Johnson said he was ready to kill more cops with bombs, Dallas police Chief David Brown told CNN.
We had negotiated with him for about two hours, and he just basically lied to us playing games, laughing at us, singing, asking how many (police officers) did he get and that he wanted to kill some more and that there were bombs there, Brown said.
A search of the gunmans home revealed he had plenty of supplies to make explosives. Brown said police found bomb-making materials and a journal that suggested Johnson had been practicing detonations and appeared ready to take aim at larger targets.
It was enough, Brown said, to have devastating effects on our city.
We had negotiated with him for about two hours, and he just basically lied to us playing games, laughing at us, singing, asking how many (police officers) did he get and that he wanted to kill some more and that there were bombs there, Brown said.
A search of the gunmans home revealed he had plenty of supplies to make explosives. Brown said police found bomb-making materials and a journal that suggested Johnson had been practicing detonations and appeared ready to take aim at larger targets.
It was enough, Brown said, to have devastating effects on our city.
From what all I've read, my understanding is that they tried to negotiate with him for several hours, when he made the threat of wanting to kill more officers and of having planted explosive devices throughout the city. Police had searched his home during the negotiations and found bomb making materials there, which led them to believe there was a good chance he wasn't bluffing. They worried about the possibility of him detonating the devices remotely, and at that point they gave him the chance of surrendering peacefully 'or else.' He said he wasn't going to be taken alive.
So I don't get the sense that they killed him out of revenge or impatience. There was urgency because of his bomb threats, and he refused the final ultimatum to surrendering. If they'd just gotten bored or had killed him while he was trying to surrender, I'd have agreed that it was an execution.
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If you're shooting people left and right, deadly force is justified for fucks sake
WhisCo
Jul 2016
#49
So if the cops tell you to do something and you don't do it, killing is justified?
Angel Martin
Jul 2016
#68
You equate Brown to a mass murderer armed to the teeth and issuing threats.
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2016
#75
By your inaccurate reading, there is nothing anybody could do that would merit
mythology
Jul 2016
#34
No....it is you who claim the killing is "extrajudicial." That is an extrodinary
msanthrope
Jul 2016
#26
It's unfortunate that you seem to think that 200 years of jurisprudence simply don't count.
msanthrope
Jul 2016
#35
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime ..."
Statistical
Jul 2016
#38
Yeah.....no. He wasn't custodial. He was deemed an active threat, and refused to surrender.nt
msanthrope
Jul 2016
#41
He hadn't fired a shot because the Dallas Police declined to present him with human targets.
msanthrope
Jul 2016
#50
Perhaps if you'd been listening to the scanner.. you would have heard officers..
X_Digger
Jul 2016
#65
No reason to believe this one was. Perhaps you could cite a case,or a law you think
msanthrope
Jul 2016
#48
Yeah....You think a Ruby Ridge lawsuit has some bearing on its incident? Um, no. nt
msanthrope
Jul 2016
#85
To be fair, I haven't read past your first paragraph. But, I've enjoyed this subthread, where my
msanthrope
Jul 2016
#90
Execution requires the subject be under control of the authority administering the sentence.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2016
#70
I think in this case the old addage anyone can claim anything on the internet is applicable
stevenleser
Jul 2016
#43
I have no doubt they are a civil rights attorney.....in the same vein that Mr. Greenwald also
msanthrope
Jul 2016
#54
Steve graciously interviewed me on last Election night...I had been working for the Obama
msanthrope
Jul 2016
#56
You've presented nothing to argue with other than claims you are an attorney.
stevenleser
Jul 2016
#57
You keep repeating an assertion that is very dubious: that he no longer poses a threat
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2016
#76
Did he still have the gun? How long had it been since he had last shot someone?
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2016
#66