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etherealtruth

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105. i have posted throughout the thread that my fear of a Trump presidency is my motivating factor

Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:03 AM

Jul 2016

I also have fears that people will not vote and (especially young people) will suffer the consequences .... a right wing court has the potential to destroy women's reproductive autonomy, civil and voting rights, freedom of and from religion .... effects that could be felt for generations.

I voted for Sander's through a process that was the equivalent of a toss of a coin .... to decide between two candidates that I believe the sum of their positives and negatives was equal (sharing that to identify the fact that I wasn't enthralled with either candidate). Fears of a Trump presidency are legitimate ... I am not going to write OPs or replies castigating sanders supporters but I do hope every voter explores and identifies the potential impacts of a Trump presidency ... what it will mean to them and what it will mean to society.

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To Dems pushing Fear at Progressives...I mean this constructively. PLEASE, STOP! [View all] HereSince1628 Jul 2016 OP

61 views tk2kewl Jul 2016 #1

Yes, but an alert AllyCat Jul 2016 #3

Yes, dems are divided into the hopeful and the fearful HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #7

Don't Think of an Elephant tk2kewl Jul 2016 #15

No, actually, that is not a natural assumption. Hortensis Jul 2016 #17

I think Donald Trump is fearful. I'm not going to apologize for recommending fear. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #2

There are people who don't see it that way AllyCat Jul 2016 #4

That's fine. Find me someone more fearful as prez than Donald Trump and I'm on board. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #6

I thought Cruz would have been more frightening. AllyCat Jul 2016 #18

You vote in a election with the candidates you got Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2016 #140

Yup. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #141

I give you FDR, 1933: Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #8

Um..ok, not sure what your point is with that quote but- you're happy, I'm happy. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #9

You were asserting the virtues of using fear as a motivator, I pointed out Democratic Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #37

Was I? See I thought I was pointing out a genuine fear that I and others have re: Trump. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #43

Dollars to donuts we see this either in video form or repeated in a speech at the convention. Arkana Jul 2016 #138

No one is asking you to...maybe just don't use it on people for whom it won't work. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #10

So do these people wear like shirts that say, "Don't scare me" or something?? MichiganVote Jul 2016 #11

Maybe on DU they have avatars or other indicators of their progressive nature. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #12

In this country, if you do not vote republican, in 'other' circles, MichiganVote Jul 2016 #20

Well you're arguing strawmen. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #32

And that is usually the response when nothing else need be said. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #34

You're wanting to get into something other than how to message progressives HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #39

Am I? See I think its valid for people to express their fears and I think its valid MichiganVote Jul 2016 #48

This thread was set in place as a counter to a DU thread, why would I contact the campaign? HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #49

Because you seem to espouse a type of communication with progressive people, or MichiganVote Jul 2016 #50

I have every confidence that the political scientists with HRC's campaign know this HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #55

You know what? I hate to break it to you but 'Sanders supporters' is a mirage. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #29

Come on. That doesn't contribute to the conversation AllyCat Jul 2016 #26

The threat of fear does not equal a lack of constructive dialogue. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #31

the audience you speak of qazplm Jul 2016 #112

That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #114

I'm with you. Scruffy1 Jul 2016 #89

I recall after 911 all the fear people had. Given what people knew, it was justified. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #91

Fear is what did it for me. Just saying. onecaliberal Jul 2016 #5

By "worked", do you mean "left Clinton massively ahead in the polls"? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2016 #13

I mean particularly whatever works to induce the fearful motivation in them the project HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #19

I don't care what side anybody is on, but if the human traffic cone is elected, world wide wally Jul 2016 #14

Lol! And yes, I will be afraid. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #24

Why do you separate Dems and Progressives?? Enough of that crap. riversedge Jul 2016 #16

I wasn't dividing them so much as asking Dems trying to reach progressives HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #21

Anyone who is paying attention--even remotely, should not need convincing at any level. riversedge Jul 2016 #36

Really. If this shit doesn't convince them, they are just trolling. It is just not credible. Squinch Jul 2016 #80

+1, you're on the right track MichiganVote Jul 2016 #22

There is a Progressive Caucus. Are you saying they AllyCat Jul 2016 #30

Because the terms are not synonymous ibegurpard Jul 2016 #129

Anybody who's not afraid of the direction the republicans will sufrommich Jul 2016 #23

That's fine as a personal opinion. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #28

The national elections haven't even started,it's the doldrums of summer sufrommich Jul 2016 #38

It may be, but that's beside the point as there is that FEAR thread running in this forum HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #40

Then don't use it. Others disagree with you. They will use it. Stop telling them not to. Squinch Jul 2016 #82

Yup MichiganVote Jul 2016 #33

What amazes me is they call themselves progressives who want the arthritisR_US Jul 2016 #53

The term Democratic Socialist comes to mind. Not going to happen. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #71

Their all or nothing thinking will be your country 's ruin. nt arthritisR_US Jul 2016 #74

There is no form of governance or politics that is pretty. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #76

How ugly are some willing to let it go? It certainly won't be the arthritisR_US Jul 2016 #78

Well to be fair, they do suffer occasionally via history. And some are even innocent. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #81

Respectfully I must disagree. They don't suffer occasionally, they suffer routinely. arthritisR_US Jul 2016 #83

Not sure of your meaning. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #85

Great post malaise Jul 2016 #25

Your concern concerning this concern is concerning. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #27

I haven't been pushing fear (not a single post) .... etherealtruth Jul 2016 #35

Everyone has their emotions, everyone's emotions are valid for them, but HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #41

I understand the use of fear .... etherealtruth Jul 2016 #57

Your emotions are valid. But they may not motivate others as they do you. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #63

It seems like LWolf Jul 2016 #42

I think much of what you say is true. IMO voting Dem still has pro-Bernie angles HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #46

What Sanders is doing LWolf Jul 2016 #60

Progressives are dreamers? "They are attracted to hope, and hope for things that they desire"? TheProgressive Jul 2016 #44

I'd entertain arguing about the Progressive label elsewhere, but it's not the point of this thread HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #47

I was just correcting you on your position of Progressives. TheProgressive Jul 2016 #52

It is time to unite and defeat Trump in November, let's focus on Electing Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #45

Why don't the progressives do their own homework and come up with stopbush Jul 2016 #51

Exactly. The OP is all about "Pay attention to meeeee!" Nothing else. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #118

How do you know Trump isn't Hitler? That's how hitler happend, by people not realizing they should TeamPooka Jul 2016 #54

The topic is about how to persuade Sanders/progressive voters who orient differently HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #58

Well, you see, but that confuses me...are you saying that progressives need to be... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #62

I'm saying the FEAR argument oft presented on DU to persuade Sanders/progressive voters HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #65

I don't understand your practical advice. Please give me an example. How.... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #86

I voted for Sanders in the primary thucythucy Jul 2016 #134

I think fear of a Trump presidency is a legitimate fear, and will motivate a lot of voters. tclambert Jul 2016 #56

FEAR will certainly motivate many voters. But that misses the point. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #67

If you don't fear trump you are stupid. Saying that we shouldn't point out the appropriateness Squinch Jul 2016 #84

+1 MichiganVote Jul 2016 #93

The Daisy ad worked loyalsister Jul 2016 #59

we need to go left on OFFENSE. reaganism is DYING. KILL IT DEAD NOW! pansypoo53219 Jul 2016 #61

I think a large part of the Democratic Party haven't even heard of the term offense. Scruffy1 Jul 2016 #90

Reaganism is dying? tk2kewl Jul 2016 #137

Vote how u want ,,,, just Cryptoad Jul 2016 #64

Fear tactics are used in effort to control what people will do. I reject those efforts. CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #66

Fear can be manipulative. It can also be legitimate HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #68

You still don't get it. No one is trying to persuade Sanders voters. Sanders voters have already Squinch Jul 2016 #135

How 'bout some examples.... heresAthingdotcom Jul 2016 #69

I'll let people speak for themselves... HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #73

Fear of Trump is legitimate. baldguy Jul 2016 #70

I totally agree! nt arthritisR_US Jul 2016 #75

Progressives do not try and divide people into groups to be monitored and yelled at. Rex Jul 2016 #72

Why are the long-time Hillary supporters so scared now? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #77

Uh, because crazy people are on TV endorsing an even crazier Trump person?? MichiganVote Jul 2016 #79

This thead is about Trump supporters Democat Jul 2016 #100

Fear has done it for me. AirmensMom Jul 2016 #87

Currently, there's a supreme court opening and 3 justices are between 77 and 82 years old. ecstatic Jul 2016 #88

It's been the Third Way strategy ever since Bill Clinton. n/t brentspeak Jul 2016 #92

How do you define progressive? GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #94

+1 MichiganVote Jul 2016 #95

Let's use is as Sanders supporters do this was motivated by a FEAR thread to them HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #99

Good post Raine Jul 2016 #96

If "progressives" are meh about a Trump win, I question their political self-labeling. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #97

Those who like Trump better than Clinton are not progressive Democat Jul 2016 #98

No more flawed than the polemic of FEAR directed at Sanders supporters. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #101

I think Kpete's post summed it up perfectly etherealtruth Jul 2016 #102

I too believe Trump is the worst republican candidate in their history HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #103

i have posted throughout the thread that my fear of a Trump presidency is my motivating factor etherealtruth Jul 2016 #105

Yes, fear works on some, it always has and always will. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #106

It has built Trumps n/t etherealtruth Jul 2016 #109

Yes, but conistent with the political research, the Trump supporters are quite conservative. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #115

Its calculated fear mongering on the right .... etherealtruth Jul 2016 #127

Fear leads to hate, and we don't want to be like them. modem77 Jul 2016 #113

IMO, fear leads to a desire to reduce fear, even when fear is understandable. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #116

Good post. ms liberty Jul 2016 #104

Who Is Doing That? ProfessorGAC Jul 2016 #136

Exactly n2doc Jul 2016 #107

Let's be honest: Any remaining "progressive" holdouts aren't going to be swayed by anything we say. Skinner Jul 2016 #108

I am not at all sure that's true. I think that's a great excuse for discarding any interest in them HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #111

Salesmen also fail when they waste their time trying to sell to someone who isn't persuadable. Skinner Jul 2016 #119

Maybe your message doesn't belong in this thread but over in that FEAR-suasion thread HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #122

I tend to think that my post fits in either thread. Skinner Jul 2016 #128

Exhibit A suggests a whole lot of DU members disagree ... Scuba Jul 2016 #110

You've ignored and dismissed every prior effort to be positive, though. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #117

No one is asking you to placate anyone. Certainly not the people you are committed to demean. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #121

The purpose of your post is that you want attention, and I've wasted enough here already. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #123

Interesting, you're a mind reader, too. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #124

Is Trump -REALLY- more scary than the horrible, murderous, militant defenders of racist apartheid ? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #120

If the Germans of the1930s DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #125

To people who address passive aggressive open letters rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #126

Is expressing fear of a fear-mongering politician fear-mongering itself? pampango Jul 2016 #130

Couch it however you like. No need fo fear or kumbayas either whatthehey Jul 2016 #131

People are reacting to the speech last night. alarimer Jul 2016 #132

Is there a litmus test for Dems vs Progressive??? laureloak Jul 2016 #133

Anyone who starts off an OP BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #139