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Grey Lemercier

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86. TBH, if we did have to leave, it would be to Rotterdam, Berlin, or Milan.

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 04:13 AM

Jul 2016

We have extensive ties in all 3 cities, and I really do not care to live in Scotland.

As for the Leave, that is quite a tough nut to crack. I do NOT see a 2nd vote. I do see one of 3 things happening.

1. Parliament is forced through law rulings to get involved, in which case they probably will not leave.
https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/06/27/nick-barber-tom-hickman-and-jeff-king-pulling-the-article-50-trigger-parliaments-indispensable-role/

2. The UK, after (or even before) Article 50 is invoked cuts a deal for "limited" stay, sort of like Norway and Switzerland have. The other EU nations are very adamant this will not happen until Article 50 is triggered, and even then it's choppy waters ahead.

3 Article 50 is invoked, and after 2 years, the UK truly leaves, which will trigger Scotland leaving the UK, and probably N.I. as well. God help the us on getting a decent trade deal out of that. The US and the Commonwealth would have to really be focused upon in that route goes forward.

I want to CHOKE so man in my age bracket who voted Leave as a sort of "taking the piss". I know at least 20 like this. I also am gobsmacked that millions bought into the divvy shite coming from the Leave camp. Fools!!!

Now we all pay.

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Then don't belive it. Liberal In Texas Jul 2016 #52

Uh huh. spooky3 Jul 2016 #59

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Really? "They are afraid of the brown people moving into their neighborhood", and they voted twice still_one Jul 2016 #81

Disagree. Kaine is a solid, serious choice. And the fact that it pretty much locks up jonno99 Jul 2016 #33

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You are not the norm. Liberal In Texas Jul 2016 #45

Probably the norm for my socio-economic level age group and educational background Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #53

Thank you for saying that--I was going to leap to your defense but I see you MADem Jul 2016 #73

I just missed being old enough (I turned 18 several weeks after the elections) to vote for Obama Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #79

If Trump wins, there's always Inishturk! LOL! MADem Jul 2016 #82

lol, well I am a dual UK/US citizen, so dont have to move to some tiny island Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #83

Say--I am going a bit far afield, here, but it's an interesting concept-- MADem Jul 2016 #85

TBH, if we did have to leave, it would be to Rotterdam, Berlin, or Milan. Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #86

I hope things work out for you. From this side of the world, your first scenario MADem Jul 2016 #87

I moved here in summer of 1997, when I was 6. So had Blair as PM whilst growing up Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #88

LOL--to say nothing of the Wendi Deng scandal! MADem Jul 2016 #89

You are right. I also do not subscribe to the view that the millineals don't know what is at stake. still_one Jul 2016 #48

If they show up. Liberal In Texas Jul 2016 #49

They will show up. They know exactly what is at stake. That is why 80% of Sanders supporters have still_one Jul 2016 #60

You know they will show up, how? Liberal In Texas Jul 2016 #63

What a shame you find this ticket boring. NanceGreggs Jul 2016 #76

I so hope young voters learned from the Brexit vote about the utter folly of "protest" voting. Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #84

Gosh, I wonder how Hillary one the primary based on your assessment of the way things are still_one Jul 2016 #44

I assume you mean won. Liberal In Texas Jul 2016 #47

Yes, it was competitive, but she handily won it. In fact by more than President Obama won against still_one Jul 2016 #54

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This make no sense. n/t Liberal In Texas Jul 2016 #67

Hillary is going for reliable voters. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #93

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