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Sancho

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17. Who is justifying anything...

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:31 AM

Jul 2016

The DNC didn't do anything wrong if they knew that some PACs were paying trolls.

What law is broken by a PAC paying trolls?

The DNC has it's own rules. If members of the DNC break their own rules they can be replaced by the rules. So far, the DNC was successful with Obama and hopefully will be successful in 2016.

So what???

The DNC has done exactly what it is supposed to do if it gets a Democrat to win the White House. If you don't like success, that's too bad.

What "means" do you disagree with? Bernie, O'Malley, and others all got a shot. The email about PACs hiring trolls is not surprising, illegal, or even the work of the DNC.

If there were emails that PACs hired trolls to attack Hillary or O'Malley would you be outraged? Frankly, I'm sure that is exactly what happened. Likely every major PAC in the country (dozens of them?) hired folks to do some kind of internet subterfuge!! At this point, it's like those emails from a prince in Africa that has money for you...

If the DNC gets a Democrat in the White House, then they did their job. Successfully winning does not mean they did anything wrong!!

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Leaked email from DNC confirms paid trolls [View all] Scuba Jul 2016 OP

This sounds like reporting. Jeremy Brindle isn't saying "The DNC is doing this." MADem Jul 2016 #1

Yes, he's confirming that a super pac is paying trolls, not that it's being done by DNC or ... Scuba Jul 2016 #2

That would be wishful thinking, such an inference. MADem Jul 2016 #3

Yes, it would be a huge leap from "the DNC knows" to "the campaign is coordinating." Scuba Jul 2016 #4

Sanders lost fair and square: Sanders said so: enough we need to fight Trumps fascism! lewebley3 Jul 2016 #78

You're missing the whole point Chasstev365 Jul 2016 #127

Perhaps some remarks here indicate "paid trolls" of the RNC; but I won't read this crap... Jeffersons Ghost Jul 2016 #184

I am not a GD GOP TROLL! Chasstev365 Jul 2016 #185

You missing the point: Trump's fascism means the death of our fellow Americans: lewebley3 Jul 2016 #186

It's not illegal to coordinate with all PACs. merrily Jul 2016 #13

It is if they're throwing money around and paying people to do stuff. MADem Jul 2016 #16

I didn't claim they were. I posted only to address your partially incorrect comment about illegality merrily Jul 2016 #18

smh. No one said you said that. The OP was about PAID, i.e. compensated, posters. MADem Jul 2016 #21

Your Reply 21 seems to be saying paid posters are illegal. I am sure that is not what you meant. merrily Jul 2016 #27

No, it did not seem to be saying that. MADem Jul 2016 #42

The term "In that fashion" is in your Reply 3, not your Reply 21. merrily Jul 2016 #44

Yes, at the very outset of my conversation here. The idea is to follow the convo. MADem Jul 2016 #57

He's not "confirming" anything,these look like notes taken while sufrommich Jul 2016 #5

Right. The statement "Yes, Super PAC paying young voters to push back online" isn't confirming it. Scuba Jul 2016 #6

Arguing with the waves. Octafish Jul 2016 #84

That's deep... yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #119

Castles made of Sand---Jimi Hendrix panader0 Jul 2016 #187

By the way, do you consider paying trolls to fall under "ratfucking"? Scuba Jul 2016 #7

I consider grasping at straws to de legitimize Clinton's campaign after the primaries sufrommich Jul 2016 #10

How does this "de legitimize" (sic) Clinton's campaign? Scuba Jul 2016 #22

Was the DNC neutral or not? think Jul 2016 #24

There's plenty in the emails that suggests they were not. Scuba Jul 2016 #28

Exactly. /nt think Jul 2016 #31

Clinton won the election by a wide margin BainsBane Jul 2016 #32

That's not the point, as you well know. Scuba Jul 2016 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author think Jul 2016 #36

It has to do with the argument about paid trolls BainsBane Jul 2016 #91

Good luck all in .... think Jul 2016 #95

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Please, explain to me how "Clinton was set up to win" BainsBane Jul 2016 #90

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #155

yes...based off the facts uponit7771 Jul 2016 #148

Bingo Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2016 #71

No. The story is the DNC violated it's own rules and interfered with the primary. think Jul 2016 #73

So you're okay with foreign meddling? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2016 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author think Jul 2016 #77

Deflection Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2016 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author think Jul 2016 #147

Can't we have problems with PatSeg Jul 2016 #94

Excellent response Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2016 #138

This is all so disturbing PatSeg Jul 2016 #143

Are you OK with the DNC violating its own rules just when the Republicans have a scary candidate? Scuba Jul 2016 #159

So I take you answer as a yes to being okay with foreign meddling Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2016 #171

It wasn't foreigner who made the DNC staffers violate their own rules. Scuba Jul 2016 #172

DWS has resigned Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2016 #173

That's a good start. Scuba Jul 2016 #174

Given that the "foreign meddling" is against the Democratic candidate, some seem to be synergie Jul 2016 #168

There is nothing in any of the E-mails creeksneakers2 Jul 2016 #154

a useful idiot is someone who thinks a country with a sixth our military budget that we have yurbud Jul 2016 #102

A useful idiot is someone who ignores okasha Jul 2016 #112

Very Neoconservative. runaway hero Jul 2016 #125

And then calls keeping treaty obligations okasha Jul 2016 #126

What is the point of the baltics in NATO? runaway hero Jul 2016 #128

From the Baltics' point of view okasha Jul 2016 #130

I guess Trump and Hillary can feel the same about NATO then. runaway hero Jul 2016 #134

You're morally outraged okasha Jul 2016 #135

I'm just saying runaway hero Jul 2016 #144

NATO is the best assurance okasha Jul 2016 #145

Another campaign paid $16 million BainsBane Jul 2016 #20

Those were angels bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #39

Bernie Sanders Campaign: We Don't Pay For Comments, Thank You think Jul 2016 #59

I also saw the job advertisement BainsBane Jul 2016 #61

Please share the link to your claim. The Washington post retracted their claim because it was untrue think Jul 2016 #65

$16 million in internet messaging BainsBane Jul 2016 #72

�online ads, email fundraising, web development, graphic design, photography and videography.� think Jul 2016 #74

One might "easily infer" if that's what one wanted the truth to be. George II Jul 2016 #120

We've known for months that there are paid trolls in this campaign. George II Jul 2016 #166

I read it as that this could happen in the future spooky3 Jul 2016 #79

It was (ostensibly) written back in April. MADem Jul 2016 #87

It seems naive to be unaware of trolls...so what? Sancho Jul 2016 #8

So the ends justify the means. Got it. Scuba Jul 2016 #9

Who is justifying anything... Sancho Jul 2016 #17

How about the PAC? Were they wrong to pay trolls? Scuba Jul 2016 #25

What is worse....?? Sancho Jul 2016 #115

Not if what Brock says is true creeksneakers2 Jul 2016 #156

No shit? I haven't seen that. Have you seen any posts anywhere that self-identify as such? Scuba Jul 2016 #158

No creeksneakers2 Jul 2016 #165

Not all laws Exilednight Jul 2016 #64

The letters were about PACs, not the DNC... Sancho Jul 2016 #116

Is that your explanation BainsBane Jul 2016 #23

BE CAREFUL OF TEH PAID SHILLS !!!111!!!! (not this again) betsuni Jul 2016 #11

Ah, those were the days bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #40

Good times, huh? NurseJackie Jul 2016 #49

Brock! Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #151

Every campaign does this rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #12

Link showing Bernie did it too, please. merrily Jul 2016 #14

Paid trolls are just like supporters posting think Jul 2016 #19

Yes, how dare Superpac workers try to refute what someone else said! randome Jul 2016 #26

How about reporters? Should they be required to disclose that they're paid by a campaign? Scuba Jul 2016 #29

It's the Internet. For all I know, many of us at DU are being paid by a campaign. randome Jul 2016 #46

Ah, so you're upset that Chuck Todd failed to disclose that his wife was being paid by the Sanders synergie Jul 2016 #169

Yes. He should have disclosed it. Scuba Jul 2016 #170

Coordinated paid trolls don't have to tell the truth nor can their actions be claimed to represent think Jul 2016 #30

So if they weren't getting paid, you'd have no problem with them, right? randome Jul 2016 #43

Are you claiming the Sanders campaign had coordinated volunteer trolls? think Jul 2016 #45

I'm sure they had someone 'monitoring' social media but that's just an assumption on my part. randome Jul 2016 #47

The GOP's been doing it all along okasha Jul 2016 #109

Is this the "they do it too" defense? Scuba Jul 2016 #160

Nope it's the everybody already knows it's done, it's legal bettyellen Jul 2016 #177

Legal? Violating the rules defrauds the donors. Scuba Jul 2016 #178

Ha, no. I've never seen Wikileaks put out such bullshit tweets - so deceptive and rat fucky.... bettyellen Jul 2016 #179

I recognize some of the comments made in that email from DU posts. merrily Jul 2016 #15

all the paid-media businesses can include social media posts. weird no RW are ever hacked/leaked Sunlei Jul 2016 #33

Ad hominem. Scuba Jul 2016 #35

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Its sickening that some of you ... JoePhilly Jul 2016 #110

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Of course there's none of those here. The very thought. Android3.14 Jul 2016 #38

Are you shitting me? One line is causing this? It's called advanced Southerncomfy Jul 2016 #41

... NuclearDem Jul 2016 #48

money paid to Revolution Messaging was spent on �online ads, email fundraising, web development, think Jul 2016 #50

Uh huh. NuclearDem Jul 2016 #54

Are you calling Sanders and his campaign staff liars? Really? think Jul 2016 #55

I think it would've been stupid for them to say NuclearDem Jul 2016 #62

If the Washington Post had a shred of evidence they wouldn't have retracted their story think Jul 2016 #67

Tigereye Design $8,164,27 43 payments Omaha Steve Jul 2016 #122

Who are all these Trump Twitter bots? L. Coyote Jul 2016 #51

Yes. The GOP is scum and will use unscrupulous methods to try to win. think Jul 2016 #53

"She�s forced to continue to appeal to young liberals as opposed to pivoting back to center" Baitball Blogger Jul 2016 #52

You noticed that too, eh? Scuba Jul 2016 #63

Must have been painful for her XemaSab Jul 2016 #89

I bet being "forced" to be left was just exhausting...n/t TCJ70 Jul 2016 #101

You mean all those young white guys in Volvos? nt cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #105

No, it does not confirm paid trolls. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #56

"Yes, Super PAC paying young voters to push back online on Sanders supporters" think Jul 2016 #58

it means they pushed back against Twitter trolls, you know the kind geek tragedy Jul 2016 #60

old 'news' riversedge Jul 2016 #66

Perhaps you'd like to discuss the new news coming from the DNC email revelations? think Jul 2016 #68

No, I am only interested in getting Hillary elected-not interested in hit-pieces on Democrats. riversedge Jul 2016 #82

So you're OK with the DNC violating its own rules as long as it's for Hillary? Scuba Jul 2016 #161

I went to a local Clinton group meeting where Sanders supporters Evergreen Emerald Jul 2016 #69

Good eye. And I agree, Dems need push back online. riversedge Jul 2016 #162

Ironic, pushing back at disruptor trolls becomes fodder for trolls. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #70

Leaked emails are a hoax. nt fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #75

Could be. Pretty elaborate. Is the DNC denying the accuracy of the emails? Scuba Jul 2016 #81

Nope. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #163

DWS resigned over a hoax? PoutrageFatigue Jul 2016 #175

A whole website was started by some of them Renew Deal Jul 2016 #83

Snort! Scuba Jul 2016 #85

Members list is interesting. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #140

(might just be me but... SticksnStones Jul 2016 #164

What an absolutely fascinating POV. ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #88

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~ In_The_Wind Jul 2016 #97

I will proudly vote for Hillary in Washington state ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #98

Uh Mister Twilight Jul 2016 #93

My post is about paid trolls. Those replying have taken it various directions. Scuba Jul 2016 #96

Really? What echo chamber do you think you joined? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #106

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice Mister Twilight Jul 2016 #107

So... the leaked DNC emails are a figment of a Bernie Sanders supporter's imagination? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #108

This is the sort of story that could lead to Clinton losing the election. Marr Jul 2016 #99

Not to be a concern troll, but it worries me. Democrats count on high turnout in Presidential ... Scuba Jul 2016 #100

All I got to say is that the D.C. Insiders better know what they are doing. Rex Jul 2016 #103

Yeah, and I'm sure Assange is 100% on the level with this Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #104

time to give it up beachbum bob Jul 2016 #111

Folks will complain... TipTok Jul 2016 #113

nobody was going to nominate a socialist! ericson00 Jul 2016 #117

Wikileaks? And who is the founder of wikileaks? George II Jul 2016 #118

Lol! zappaman Jul 2016 #121

I am SO glad the Primaries are over and... Spazito Jul 2016 #123

Second sentence should make them all happy treestar Jul 2016 #124

These aren't even emails. This is some summary in one email about a panel of Squinch Jul 2016 #129

Of course they do. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #139

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #149

We kept hearing how she wasnt being "allowed to pivot" Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #131

Unless there's some evidence that those paid to post did anything unethical LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #132

This was a story from our primary battle days. upaloopa Jul 2016 #133

Be careful? Cary Jul 2016 #137

Apr 21, 2016 - ... spending $1 million to hire online trolls to "correct" Bernie Sanders supporters BlueStateLib Jul 2016 #141

People get PAID to do this shit? sofa king Jul 2016 #142

This thread is hilarious. Marr Jul 2016 #146

You mean repeat a winger meme about non emails from unconfirmed account?! REALLY?! The CT is uponit7771 Jul 2016 #152

First, catch your breath. Marr Jul 2016 #167

+++++ ANOTHER BULLSHIT RATFUCKING MEME++++++ Clinton locked primary by May 5th... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #150

Does anyone know how I can get one of those jobs? NobodyHere Jul 2016 #153

7. Freelance posters kentauros Jul 2016 #157

Nope/ they were notes from a FOX news TV show that claimed there were paid trolls. bettyellen Jul 2016 #176

Wrong. Scuba Jul 2016 #181

The Wikileaks tweets do not support the emails within- we don't even know how many are bettyellen Jul 2016 #183

Kick n/t area51 Jul 2016 #180

I thought there were a lot of vocal new posters during the primary, are they all gone B Calm Jul 2016 #182

So.... Can we revisit this? Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #188