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In reply to the discussion: Virginia Governor Bypasses Court Ruling To Help 200,000 Ex-Felons Vote [View all]JustinL
(722 posts)135. unfortunately, the Supreme Court has refused to apply this analysis to felon disenfranchisement
In Richardson v Ramirez, 418 U. S. 24 (1974), at a time when conservatives held a 6-3 majority, the Court upheld felon disenfranchisement by a 6-2 vote (two of the liberals dissented, while the third, Douglas, didn't reach the merits).
Justice Rehnquist's majority opinion left undisturbed prior holdings that a restriction on the franchise generally must meet a "compelling state interest." His opinion hinged on his interpretation of the interrelationship between the Equal Protection Clause and section 2 of the 14th Amendment:
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
The heart of his opinion, from pp. 54-55:
the exclusion of felons from the vote has an affirmative sanction in § 2 of the Fourteenth Amendment, a sanction which was not present in the case of the other restrictions on the franchise which were invalidated in the cases on which respondents rely. We hold that the understanding of those who adopted the Fourteenth Amendment, as reflected in the express language of § 2 and in the historical and judicial interpretation of the Amendment's applicability to state laws disenfranchising felons, is of controlling significance in distinguishing such laws from those other state limitations on the franchise which have been held invalid under the Equal Protection Clause by this Court. We do not think that the Court's refusal to accept Mr. Justice Harlan's position in his dissents in Reynolds v. Sims, 377 U. S. 533, 377 U. S. 589 (1964), and Carrington v. Rash, 380 U. S. 89, 380 U. S. 97 (1965), that § 2 is the only part of the Amendment dealing with voting rights, dictates an opposite result. We need not go nearly so far as Mr. Justice Harlan would to reach our conclusion, for we may rest on the demonstrably sound proposition that § 1, in dealing with voting rights as it does, could not have been meant to bar outright a form of disenfranchisement which was expressly exempted from the less drastic sanction of reduced representation which § 2 imposed for other forms of disenfranchisement. Nor can we accept respondents' argument that, because § 2 was made part of the Amendment
"'largely through the accident of political exigency, rather than through the relation which it bore to the other sections of the Amendment,'"
we must not look to it for guidance in interpreting § 1. It is as much a part of the Amendment as any of the other sections, and how it became a part of the Amendment is less important than what it says and what it means.
"'largely through the accident of political exigency, rather than through the relation which it bore to the other sections of the Amendment,'"
we must not look to it for guidance in interpreting § 1. It is as much a part of the Amendment as any of the other sections, and how it became a part of the Amendment is less important than what it says and what it means.
IOW, the general "compelling interest" rule announced in prior rulings did not apply to felon disenfranhcisement. Justice Marshall's dissenting opinion, joined by Justice Brennan, disagreed with this interpretation. From pp. 73-74 (footnotes omitted):
The historical purpose for § 2 itself is, however, relatively clear and, in my view, dispositive of this case. The Republicans who controlled the 39th Congress were concerned that the additional congressional representation of the Southern States which would result from the abolition of slavery might weaken their own political dominance. There were two alternatives available -- either to limit southern representation, which was unacceptable on a long-term basis, or to insure that southern Negroes, sympathetic to the Republican cause, would be enfranchised; but an explicit grant of suffrage to Negroes was thought politically unpalatable at the time. Section 2 of the Fourteenth Amendment was the resultant compromise. It put Southern States to a choice -- enfranchise Negro voters or lose congressional representation.
The political motivation behind § 2 was a limited one. It had little to do with the purposes of the rest of the Fourteenth Amendment. As one noted commentator explained:
"'It became a part of the Fourteenth Amendment largely through the accident of political exigency, rather than through the relation which it bore to the other sections of the Amendment.'"
"
I)t seems quite impossible to conclude that there was a clear and deliberate understanding in the House that § 2 was the sole source of national authority to protect voting rights, or that it expressly recognized the states' power to deny or abridge the right to vote."
It is clear that § 2 was not intended, and should not be construed, to be a limitation on the other sections of the Fourteenth Amendment. Section 2 provides a special remedy -- reduced representation -- to cure a particular form of electoral abuse -- the disenfranchisement of Negroes. There is no indication that the framers of the provisions intended that special penalty to be the exclusive remedy for all forms of electoral discrimination. This Court has repeatedly rejected that rationale. See Reynolds v. Sims, 377 U. S. 533 (1964); Carrington v. Rash, 380 U. S. 89 (1965).
Rather, a discrimination to which the penalty provision of § 2 is inapplicable must still be judged against the Equal Protection Clause of § 1 to determine whether judicial or congressional remedies should be invoked.
The political motivation behind § 2 was a limited one. It had little to do with the purposes of the rest of the Fourteenth Amendment. As one noted commentator explained:
"'It became a part of the Fourteenth Amendment largely through the accident of political exigency, rather than through the relation which it bore to the other sections of the Amendment.'"
"
It is clear that § 2 was not intended, and should not be construed, to be a limitation on the other sections of the Fourteenth Amendment. Section 2 provides a special remedy -- reduced representation -- to cure a particular form of electoral abuse -- the disenfranchisement of Negroes. There is no indication that the framers of the provisions intended that special penalty to be the exclusive remedy for all forms of electoral discrimination. This Court has repeatedly rejected that rationale. See Reynolds v. Sims, 377 U. S. 533 (1964); Carrington v. Rash, 380 U. S. 89 (1965).
Rather, a discrimination to which the penalty provision of § 2 is inapplicable must still be judged against the Equal Protection Clause of § 1 to determine whether judicial or congressional remedies should be invoked.
Hopefully, with a new liberal majority on the Court, Richardson v Ramirez will be overruled.
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Virginia Governor Bypasses Court Ruling To Help 200,000 Ex-Felons Vote [View all]
babylonsister
Jul 2016
OP
And it'll be struck down again because the plain text of the constitution requires
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#1
Is there a provision in the constitution that he can act without the legislature if they are
MADem
Jul 2016
#2
So the insane guy should be voting, right along with the other felons currently
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#91
The correct way, since a partisan court interfered with him, is to sign each one and hand them out.
MADem
Jul 2016
#113
How is a practice that isn't based on race racist? And if their opinions are the same
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#118
Funny how my views are the same as the current VP pick's with regard to this issue
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#120
Really? Tim Kaine, the SCOVA and I have all said the governor doesn't have the
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#126
Where does it say the actions are not valid until presented? It doesn't.
Hassin Bin Sober
Jul 2016
#127
I don't have anything else to do....just waiting to change my sprinkler locations
Gabi Hayes
Jul 2016
#16
The only black and white that matters is what the plain text of what the constitution says
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#20
They had their rights revoked after getting due process. They aren't owed anything
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#81
I don't take marching orders from any party. You want your rights back, earn them
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#106
please cite legitimate and reliable sources, and name those individuals referenced in your post.
niyad
Jul 2016
#56
where did it go? unsupported assertions remind you of similar discussion tactics?
Gabi Hayes
Jul 2016
#58
oh dear, was it something I said? I know, it is so hard for some to understand that we
niyad
Jul 2016
#60
The constitution doesn't require the legislature to be in session for him to act
Major Nikon
Jul 2016
#5
If it's not presented to the legislature, it's not met the constitutional requirement
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#11
As said, the constitution doesn't say that and it's a pretty poor assumption
Major Nikon
Jul 2016
#21
Really? So you believe if the order of clemency is never presented it is still valid?
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#22
When he gets shot down again, and he will, maybe you'll understand the process
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#83
If it's so easy to understand, why can't you explain how Robin Lovitt is still alive?
Major Nikon
Jul 2016
#85
Using that logic, there is no need to report the clemency to the legislature
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#108
You've just argued the clemency was constitutionally valid at the time granted
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#116
So now you're back to arguing it was constitutionally valid when granted
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#122
So are you trying to say the state should have put him to death since his clemency wasn't valid yet?
Major Nikon
Jul 2016
#43
Too bad, for you, the WaPo found examples of people currently serving sentences in other states
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#84
Keep cheering for disenfranchisement--you do realize you are arguing the GOP position?
MADem
Jul 2016
#89
How do you disenfranchise people who lost their rights after due process?
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#92
So you'd be all for these new voters getting their right to own guns restored
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#97
You mean other than the fact the governor fulfilled his constitutional obligation?
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#93
I have. Repeatedly. Surely you're not going to make believe a state employee
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#98
All he has to do is drop it in the mail to them, or have a courier bring it to the legislative head,
MADem
Jul 2016
#28
And this is Terry "Waaah DLC tool, blah blah blah corporate blah blah blah" McAuliffe, too.
MADem
Jul 2016
#35
I am so happy to hear that--I am glad he's doing good, and doing right by the citizens of the
MADem
Jul 2016
#55
I will never understand how felon disenfranchisement is even constitutional. nt
SunSeeker
Jul 2016
#30
What rational "cause" warrants taking away the most basic right of citizenship?
SunSeeker
Jul 2016
#50
The idea is that those who can't follow the law shouldn't be allowed to make it for others
Major Nikon
Jul 2016
#51
I started a thread on voter suppression being perhaps the most important issue
Gabi Hayes
Jul 2016
#57
unfortunately, the Supreme Court has refused to apply this analysis to felon disenfranchisement
JustinL
Jul 2016
#135
as did the SCOTUS decide that gore overreached in demanding that ALL votes be counted
Gabi Hayes
Jul 2016
#76
Both the state and federal Constitutions made it easier for the Executive...
Hassin Bin Sober
Jul 2016
#133
It's never made any sense to continue to punish criminals after they've paid their debt to
underahedgerow
Jul 2016
#88
In 1902, what was the INTENT of the VA constitutional convention that disfranchised 'felons'?
ProgressiveEconomist
Jul 2016
#140