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In reply to the discussion: Top marginal income tax rate should be fifty percent [View all]HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)90. No one is "entirely self-made", despite what Ovarian Lottery Winner Steve Forbes tells you . . .
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/11/07/5075
Manipulating sheep . . . Jesus Christ. Want some grass?
What Forbes means by "entirely self-made" is that the fortunes were not inherited but derived from business activity. Does this make the Forbes definition of "entirely self-made" reasonable? After all, if someone starts with modest resources, does well in business, and makes a fortune, isn't it fair to attribute that wealth to individual merit? Not really, though Forbes would like us to think so.
To see what's wrong with this idea, it's easiest to start with criteria that ought to disqualify a person from claiming to be "entirely self-made." After we've applied these criteria, we can see who's left in the pool. So, then, let us scratch from the list of the self-made anyone whose accumulation of wealth has been aided by any of the following:
* Laws concerning property or contracts, and the public agencies that enforce such laws
* Public schools or employees educated in public schools
* Employees or customers who rely on public transportation
* Roads, bridges, airports, sewers, water treatment plants, harbors, or other utilities built and maintained at public expense
* Mail systems built and operated at public expense
* Public hospitals and government-licensed physicians
* Health and safety regulations created and enforced at public expense
* Police and fire protection provided at public expense
* Public libraries and parks
* Any public amenities that add value to commercial or residential real estate
* Government contracts
* Government-provided business incentives
* Regulatory agencies, such as the Federal Trade Commission or the Securities and Exchange Commission, that sustain trust in the stock market
* A government-granted license permitting the exclusive use of a broadcast channel
* The Internet
* A form of currency legitimated and backed by a stable government
* Social welfare programs that keep the poor from rebelling
* The U.S. military
If we use these criteria to determine who can legitimately claim to be "entirely self-made," the Forbes number drops dramatically. It's not 270 out of 400. In fact, it's precisely zero.
If not for the legal and political arrangements that we create and maintain as a society -- with contributions from us all, costs to us all, and benefits to us all -- and if not for what we call "the public infrastructure," nobody could accumulate wealth. In short, there can be no private wealth without common wealth.
To see what's wrong with this idea, it's easiest to start with criteria that ought to disqualify a person from claiming to be "entirely self-made." After we've applied these criteria, we can see who's left in the pool. So, then, let us scratch from the list of the self-made anyone whose accumulation of wealth has been aided by any of the following:
* Laws concerning property or contracts, and the public agencies that enforce such laws
* Public schools or employees educated in public schools
* Employees or customers who rely on public transportation
* Roads, bridges, airports, sewers, water treatment plants, harbors, or other utilities built and maintained at public expense
* Mail systems built and operated at public expense
* Public hospitals and government-licensed physicians
* Health and safety regulations created and enforced at public expense
* Police and fire protection provided at public expense
* Public libraries and parks
* Any public amenities that add value to commercial or residential real estate
* Government contracts
* Government-provided business incentives
* Regulatory agencies, such as the Federal Trade Commission or the Securities and Exchange Commission, that sustain trust in the stock market
* A government-granted license permitting the exclusive use of a broadcast channel
* The Internet
* A form of currency legitimated and backed by a stable government
* Social welfare programs that keep the poor from rebelling
* The U.S. military
If we use these criteria to determine who can legitimately claim to be "entirely self-made," the Forbes number drops dramatically. It's not 270 out of 400. In fact, it's precisely zero.
If not for the legal and political arrangements that we create and maintain as a society -- with contributions from us all, costs to us all, and benefits to us all -- and if not for what we call "the public infrastructure," nobody could accumulate wealth. In short, there can be no private wealth without common wealth.
Manipulating sheep . . . Jesus Christ. Want some grass?
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You realize taxes owed are a function of 2 things (tax rate and taxable income)
joeglow3
Dec 2011
#68
Its not flight so much as lessening the attraction for the world's best and brightest to move here.
dkf
Dec 2011
#32
I agree that income taxes must be progressive, but not one of the taxes I listed
Minarchist
Dec 2011
#19
It is not right-wing for one to advocate against the Greek model of government's role.
Minarchist
Dec 2011
#81
First of all, the crisis in Greece is mainly due to the banking crisis, not to their 'model of
LeftishBrit
Dec 2011
#85
The Greek government was in cahoots with the bankers; thus, they facilitated the crisis.
Minarchist
Dec 2011
#89
Since the Reagan Revolution (which included decentralizing and privatizing gov't) has destroyed ...
ieoeja
Dec 2011
#94
Well, if you don't know any, that should tell you that there are not very many of them.
Minarchist
Dec 2011
#39
I view all nameless-faceless individuals the same--without knowledge there can be no judgement.
Minarchist
Dec 2011
#63
You realize that most wealthy people in this country did exactly *nothing* to earn it?
Ikonoklast
Dec 2011
#71
That is not true. But I suppose it sounds good if one is engaged in the art of manipulating sheep.
Minarchist
Dec 2011
#80
No one is "entirely self-made", despite what Ovarian Lottery Winner Steve Forbes tells you . . .
HughBeaumont
Dec 2011
#90
The problem with your thesis is that PRIVATE wealth created the common wealth.
Minarchist
Dec 2011
#91
I am for 50% after the second $1 M and add 1 % for every additional Million until you get to 99%
Vincardog
Dec 2011
#22
If you're looking to maximize revenue without negative consequences to the economy overall
PETRUS
Dec 2011
#26
They are still not going to work their asses off for money they will never see. nt
hack89
Dec 2011
#50
I remember the days when making a decent profit was enough. We weren't crazed about maximizing
Overseas
Dec 2011
#84
A lot of speculation. We don't need to pluck numbers out of thin air....we should look at what
wiggs
Dec 2011
#46
Before raising any taxes, I want to see the government stop spending money on illegal wars
slackmaster
Dec 2011
#54
According to economist Richard Wolff the top rate was 91% during FDR's administration...
truth2power
Dec 2011
#58
I don't know. I'll send that message to him. Can't say I'll get a reply, as he gets
truth2power
Dec 2011
#78