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Tommy_Carcetti

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Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:43 AM

Jul 2016

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-gray-rough-rides-20150423-story.html

hen a handcuffed Freddie Gray was placed in a Baltimore police van on April 12, he was talking and breathing. When the 25-year-old emerged, "he could not talk and he could not breathe," according to one police official, and he died a week later of a spinal injury.

But Gray is not the first person to come out of a Baltimore police wagon with serious injuries.

Relatives of Dondi Johnson Sr., who was left a paraplegic after a 2005 police van ride, won a $7.4 million verdict against police officers. A year earlier, Jeffrey Alston was awarded $39 million by a jury after he became paralyzed from the neck down as the result of a van ride. Others have also received payouts after filing lawsuits.

For some, such injuries have been inflicted by what is known as a "rough ride" — an "unsanctioned technique" in which police vans are driven to cause "injury or pain" to unbuckled, handcuffed detainees, former city police officer Charles J. Key testified as an expert five years ago in a lawsuit over Johnson's subsequent death.

As daily protests continue in the streets of Baltimore, authorities are trying to determine how Gray was injured, and their focus is on the 30-minute van ride that followed his arrest. "It's clear what happened, happened inside the van," Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said Monday at a news conference.

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Freddie Gray officers suing prosecutor Marilyn Mosby [View all] NaturalHigh Jul 2016 OP

Fuck those murdering motherfuckers. Iggo Jul 2016 #1

My thoughts EXACTLY! cyndensco Jul 2016 #8

Let's hope they are successful. ileus Jul 2016 #2

My thoughts exactly. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #4

Eh??? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #10

Criminal negligence does not equal murder. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #17

It shouldn't get them off the hook, though. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #21

what do you consider to be the 'callous disregard for human life'? Amishman Jul 2016 #88

when officers are "over charged" in an attempt to get them acquitted.. ReasonableToo Jul 2016 #36

You really think Mosby was trying to get them acquitted? Seriously? NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #38

More than that.... TipTok Jul 2016 #56

Generally speaking, it's a common tactic across the country: ReasonableToo Jul 2016 #89

I don't know all of the facts in the matter Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2016 #5

Cases can be tried on their merits... TipTok Jul 2016 #11

"That is misconduct and I hope they win." NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #60

There was almost unquestionably criminal negligence in this incident. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #13

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #64

wasn't politics that broke that man's spine bigtree Jul 2016 #7

That, is the bottom line. How did his spine get broken, and wouldn't the officers had RKP5637 Jul 2016 #27

So exactly how did Freddie Gray's neck get broken? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #9

Exactly!!! To me, there is missing information in all of this! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2016 #28

So the solution is charge 6 people with murder Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #48

Yeap, that's exactly what would happen to you if someone was in your vehicle under your care uponit7771 Jul 2016 #63

They were at fault because none of them did anything mythology Jul 2016 #66

The policy to buckle was relatively new... TipTok Jul 2016 #81

Except that multiple incidents did happen in Baltimore. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #83

Not arguing that... TipTok Jul 2016 #90

It was almost as if Mosby herself created reasonable doubt as to individual defendants lapucelle Jul 2016 #105

Like a moth to the light... TipTok Jul 2016 #110

Most important point, the officiers did NOT secure him in a seat belt still_one Jul 2016 #76

Fuckers. Have they no shame. nt DLevine Jul 2016 #3

FFS treestar Jul 2016 #6

They probably need to recoup some of their legal fees. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #12

So it costs them a few dollars to get away with murder. I ain't sad. Iggo Jul 2016 #14

According to every verdict rendered in this case... NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #15

Maybe but don't like the concept of treestar Jul 2016 #19

I don't either, but I think there's a good chance a jury will find... NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #20

In Baltimore City? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #22

Really. Do they hate police that much? NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #23

Hate police? I don't know. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #24

"And Freddie Gray wasn't the first." NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #25

Certainly. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #29

Interesting. I didn't know that. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #32

Well now you do. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #33

Does that change your mind about what might have happened? Rex Jul 2016 #78

Well, it doesn't really fit with video footage... NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #98

Since they are acquitted treestar Jul 2016 #30

"A jury might have decided differently." NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #34

One was a jury trial. Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #49

I remember that. I wonder why he didn't ask for a bench trial. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #100

True treestar Jul 2016 #26

Is the Gary family suing the officers? Takes less proof in civil sinkingfeeling Jul 2016 #16

They'd certainly have precedent for a recovery. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #39

They sued the city. former9thward Jul 2016 #86

Kick for exposure nt Homer Wells Jul 2016 #18

No words. Il_Coniglietto Jul 2016 #31

Unfuckingbelievable. I hope there is karma in this world and they receive a very healthy serving. onecaliberal Jul 2016 #35

You do realize that they've been found guilty of nothing, right? NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #37

A man is dead who was alive while under their care. onecaliberal Jul 2016 #40

So you know more than the judge who heard the case. Got it. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #43

I don't give a fuck about a judge who protects murdering cops. GOT IT!! onecaliberal Jul 2016 #45

Do you care about the law? TipTok Jul 2016 #58

+1 DLevine Jul 2016 #44

Exactly TeddyR Jul 2016 #41

Yeah, you'd think going 0-4 would be a pretty definitive statement. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #42

That's a false comparison, the woman in the Duke Lacrosse case made up the rape... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #46

Of course he matters. His death was tragic. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #47

Strawman, it doesn't have to be murder for someone to be charged uponit7771 Jul 2016 #65

Of course not, but weren't some of the officers charged with murder? NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #71

Not the point, the point is that, because he's a black man, his death isn't tragic enough... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #112

It may have been likely TeddyR Jul 2016 #54

ONLY because they were tried separately. joshcryer Jul 2016 #68

I don't know what the law is that determines.. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #70

It's the judges discretion. joshcryer Jul 2016 #72

Let me add a personal touch to Tommy Carcetti's link Uponthegears Jul 2016 #50

While I don't doubt your experiences... NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #51

I wish it were just my experiences Uponthegears Jul 2016 #52

It's clear you have no respect for guy that was murdered by a group of thugs. rockfordfile Jul 2016 #87

I don't believe he was murdered. The court seems to agree. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #106

A Bench Hearing can be used by any persons 4Q2u2 Jul 2016 #55

Of course that is correct Uponthegears Jul 2016 #57

That all depends on if they intended to keep running for the same office Lee-Lee Jul 2016 #91

Your last paragraph - I've heard that as well. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #97

Yep. It's far easier to fool or divert a jury than a judge alone Lee-Lee Jul 2016 #104

Those African American cops took bench trials just like their white brothers... TipTok Jul 2016 #59

Often, privilege is fact. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #61

Exactly. To imply the judge was biased in favor of the officers is ridiculous. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #62

To argue that Uponthegears Jul 2016 #79

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I don't believe that's true. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #102

I respect your opinion Uponthegears Jul 2016 #107

You bring up a good point... NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #108

I appreciate your insight Uponthegears Jul 2016 #109

And I appreciate your insight and candor. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #111

The case hinged on them being tried together. joshcryer Jul 2016 #69

That's not how the law works... TipTok Jul 2016 #80

"forcing one to testify against the others"??? joshcryer Jul 2016 #94

Then why was he the first one in state history? TipTok Jul 2016 #95

When it comes to systemic racism Uponthegears Jul 2016 #77

Well, that ought to go a long way toward rebuilding good community relations. procon Jul 2016 #53

Poor Mosby, if those assholes were tried together it would have been open and shut. joshcryer Jul 2016 #67

Yeah, unfortunately, they passed the buck between them... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #73

"Can't understand why they'll walk off scot free." NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #74

That's a proper defense, of course. joshcryer Jul 2016 #75

You can blame that on Mosby Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #84

They deserved to go to trial for what happened. joshcryer Jul 2016 #93

"Her heart and sense of justice was in the right place." NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #99

She not only overcharged, she withheld evidence from the defense Lee-Lee Jul 2016 #82

Withholding evidence says so much. pintobean Jul 2016 #92

If she withheld evidence... NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #96

I saw a story somewhere that someone had filed to have her disbarred Lee-Lee Jul 2016 #103

The police are out of control. Odin2005 Jul 2016 #85

Knew that was coming yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #101