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kristopher

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79. I don't need to consider their ideology

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #76)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 10:03 AM

Jul 2016

That's like saying someone buys a car because of a car company's advertising. They may choose a Chevy because of the advertising, but need propels them to the action of buying a car.

You're usually a rational person, I'm disappointed that you seem to be having trouble stepping into the etic mode of analysis on this issue. War is a well researched area of study and, though it's been a while since I covered the topic, I'm pretty certain there is strong consensus that the underlying cause of war isn't found in cultural belief systems such as religion.

You are clearly intent on hating rather than expanding your understanding, so I'll give you the last word and sign off.

PS I recommend to you 'Cultural Materialism' by Marvin Harris.

ETA link to another instance revealing the same sort of problem that lies in this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028053562

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I've realized there is a shocking number of people that don't know what ISIS wants [View all] realmirage Jul 2016 OP

Obvious troll is being obvious. stone space Jul 2016 #1

While you honestly believe "Peace in our time" appeasement, I see ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2016 #7

Start shouting that you want more war, then... anoNY42 Jul 2016 #10

You didn't get the Chamberlain reference, did you? FBaggins Jul 2016 #17

You do realize ISIS is attacking other countries right? They have armies too. think Jul 2016 #18

Who says we have to go it alone? FBaggins Jul 2016 #19

Yep anoNY42 Jul 2016 #21

Lol. So which is it? FBaggins Jul 2016 #23

My answer is don't get involved anoNY42 Jul 2016 #28

No. I haven't missed the civil war in Yemen that the Saudis have chosen to be in. think Jul 2016 #24

Sorry...did I miss the news... FBaggins Jul 2016 #26

Apparently you miss a lot of news. It's the Hoothis not ISIS and YES it is a civil war think Jul 2016 #29

Because we basically do awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #41

Of course I got the Chamberlain reference, don't be insulting. anoNY42 Jul 2016 #20

Neville Chamberlain had no choice but to appease Hitler in Munich. Great Britain was totally Trust Buster Jul 2016 #27

I quite doubt that, but it would take too long a discussion to sort it out Albertoo Jul 2016 #32

It's a fact. Great Britain was woefully unprepared to go to war with Hiltler at the time of Munich. Trust Buster Jul 2016 #34

I've found something that might clear this up. icymist Jul 2016 #39

Germany never had MicaelS Jul 2016 #71

Operation Sea Lion melm00se Jul 2016 #77

Never knew that. Thanks! MicaelS Jul 2016 #78

The guy says "Obama still has us in this shitty mess"... pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #16

Calm down, I said Bush got us into it. Obama is trying trying to clean up the mess realmirage Jul 2016 #43

The first poster is correct. Rex Jul 2016 #61

Yep. Same here. Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #63

It's irrational to believe that -A = B. Not too reality based, either. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #33

I'm glad enough of us live in reality so that we aren't led to the slaughter by realmirage Jul 2016 #45

So what would be your plan? Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #64

Thanks for verifying the fact. Rex Jul 2016 #60

You can't keep up with the discourse, I get it. realmirage Jul 2016 #44

but the same shocking people believe the President isn't an American citizen. Gee, I wonder still_one Jul 2016 #2

This is not a serious OP. See my post above. It is simple trolling. (nt) stone space Jul 2016 #4

Their 5-year plan (from a two year old article): Make7 Jul 2016 #3

Their industrial base... JHB Jul 2016 #9

I must not be able to view your picture, anoNY42 Jul 2016 #11

Your eyes do not deceive you... JHB Jul 2016 #13

But if they were chirping from the back of a "technical" anoNY42 Jul 2016 #14

Go take another look at their wet-dream map above... JHB Jul 2016 #15

Oh I was just joking anoNY42 Jul 2016 #22

No problem JHB Jul 2016 #30

You haven't really been paying attention to the conflict if you think ISIS is that weak realmirage Jul 2016 #46

So what's their plan to take over Spain? JHB Jul 2016 #55

I'd take that map purporting ISIS's plans from the Daily Hate Mail with a large grain of salt. n/t geardaddy Jul 2016 #36

put down the keyboard and get your combat boots on then. Cobalt Violet Jul 2016 #5

That old tired argument... Are you pro-adoption? Where's your adopted baby?? realmirage Jul 2016 #47

The YPG loves when Americans come fight ISIS with them. They'll meet you at the airport. LeftyMom Jul 2016 #6

really interesting article Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #42

I lulz'd KG Jul 2016 #8

What, you didn't think "Obama still has us in this shitty mess" was a good troll line? pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #12

You don't read too well? realmirage Jul 2016 #48

First, and I'm not insulting you, but blaming Obama for ISIS is just mind-numbingly obscene. So underahedgerow Jul 2016 #25

I have to agree with your opening statement pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #31

Where in the hell did I say any of that? realmirage Jul 2016 #49

Oh noes! Dominos! Iggo Jul 2016 #35

ISIS is a threat to those in its immediate vicinity, ronnie624 Jul 2016 #37

They are doing plenty damage right now with the small resources they have realmirage Jul 2016 #50

I'm no troll, but the jihad premise has always been messianic end-times world destruction lindysalsagal Jul 2016 #38

+1 nt flying rabbit Jul 2016 #70

It's not a religious war. Avalux Jul 2016 #40

Ok, please tell the victims of the attacks in France that the bombers did it for territory. Also, realmirage Jul 2016 #51

+1 kristopher Jul 2016 #53

Yes, of course, I'm sure the Yazidi appreciate that they're being massacred muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #56

Religion is more of an organizing principle than a causal motivator kristopher Jul 2016 #57

Try reading this - page after page of how religion is the only motivator for ISIS muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #58

I know of no social theory which accepts that premise. kristopher Jul 2016 #59

Maybe you should think about the real world, rather than a theoretical one, then muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #72

If you have to create a straw man, it means you're wrong... kristopher Jul 2016 #73

Your whole post was about the non-existence of a social theory that fits with the reality muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #76

I don't need to consider their ideology kristopher Jul 2016 #79

If you haven't covered it recently, that would explain why you don't know about ISIS muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #80

Those are perfect examples disproving your belief. kristopher Jul 2016 #81

Neither Germany nor Japan were 'hungry' muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #82

I don't use my moral preferences as a guide to determining the facts of a matter kristopher Jul 2016 #83

"Facts"? You didn't need no stinkin' facts muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #84

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #85

I've never said anything about 'my country', let alone 'right or wrong' muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #86

They're in my fridge! They're in my closet!! AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! hatrack Jul 2016 #52

We should be refering to Isis in our own way... dubyadiprecession Jul 2016 #54

ISIS wants what defense contractors want - Perpetual War tenderfoot Jul 2016 #62

ridiculous, propagandist view of reality, but whatever realmirage Jul 2016 #65

"ridiculous, propagandist view of reality" That's your OP in a nutshell. tenderfoot Jul 2016 #66

you should have just said "i know you are but what am i" realmirage Jul 2016 #67

I know you'll sit this war out like the others... tenderfoot Jul 2016 #68

I'll ask again, since you started this OP-- Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #69

What is your plan for negotiation? kristopher Jul 2016 #74

Why does truth hurt folks like you? What war machine contract are you in on? lonestarnot Jul 2016 #75