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In reply to the discussion: I can still remember the daily repeated chants of "USA! USA! USA! USA!" outside my office window. [View all]think
(11,641 posts)51. I love America but I am not blind to dark underpinnings of American foreign policy nor the excess of
patriotism that helped lead us into an illegal and immoral war.
Imperial President
By William Saletan - SEPT. 2 2004 4:16 AM
Opposing Bush becomes unpatriotic.
~Snip~
Not every country works this way. In some countries, the commander in chief builds a propaganda apparatus that equates him with the military and the nation. If you object that he's making bad decisions and disserving the national interest, you're accused of weakening the nation, undermining its security, sabotaging the commander in chief, and serving a foreign powerthe very charges Miller leveled tonight against Bush's critics.
Are you prepared to become one of those countries?
When patriotism is impugned, the facts go out the window. You're not allowed to point out that Bush shifted the rationale for the Iraq war further and further from U.S. national securityfrom complicity in 9/11 to weapons of mass destruction to building democracy to relieving Iraqis of their dictatorwithout explaining why American troops and taxpayers should bear the burden. You're not allowed to point out that the longer a liberator stays, the more he looks like an occupier. You're not allowed to propose that the enormous postwar expenses Bush failed to budget for be covered by repealing his tax cuts for the wealthy instead of further indebting every American child.
If you dare to say these things, you're accusedas Kerry now stands accused by Cheney and Millerof defaming America and refusing "to support American troops in combat." You're contrasted to a president who "is unashamed of his belief that God is not indifferent to America."You're derided, in Cheney's words, for trying to show al-Qaida "our softer side." Your Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts are no match for the vice president's five draft deferments...
Read more:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/ballot_box/2004/09/imperial_president.html
By William Saletan - SEPT. 2 2004 4:16 AM
Opposing Bush becomes unpatriotic.
~Snip~
Not every country works this way. In some countries, the commander in chief builds a propaganda apparatus that equates him with the military and the nation. If you object that he's making bad decisions and disserving the national interest, you're accused of weakening the nation, undermining its security, sabotaging the commander in chief, and serving a foreign powerthe very charges Miller leveled tonight against Bush's critics.
Are you prepared to become one of those countries?
When patriotism is impugned, the facts go out the window. You're not allowed to point out that Bush shifted the rationale for the Iraq war further and further from U.S. national securityfrom complicity in 9/11 to weapons of mass destruction to building democracy to relieving Iraqis of their dictatorwithout explaining why American troops and taxpayers should bear the burden. You're not allowed to point out that the longer a liberator stays, the more he looks like an occupier. You're not allowed to propose that the enormous postwar expenses Bush failed to budget for be covered by repealing his tax cuts for the wealthy instead of further indebting every American child.
If you dare to say these things, you're accusedas Kerry now stands accused by Cheney and Millerof defaming America and refusing "to support American troops in combat." You're contrasted to a president who "is unashamed of his belief that God is not indifferent to America."You're derided, in Cheney's words, for trying to show al-Qaida "our softer side." Your Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts are no match for the vice president's five draft deferments...
Read more:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/ballot_box/2004/09/imperial_president.html
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I can still remember the daily repeated chants of "USA! USA! USA! USA!" outside my office window. [View all]
stone space
Jul 2016
OP
Unbridled patriotism makes me nervous as well. That said at least it was a very minor part of the
think
Jul 2016
#1
I love America but I am not blind to dark underpinnings of American foreign policy nor the excess of
think
Jul 2016
#51
Well I'm glad you didn't fall for the psuedo patriotism that included chants of USA and flag worship
think
Jul 2016
#91
how about "Hillary!" or "I'm with her!"? Surely you could think of a few more possibilities.
Vattel
Jul 2016
#12
There are not all that many things commonly chanted while breaking peoples' ribs.
stone space
Jul 2016
#7
Well since no ribs were broken during that chant, it looks like we're on our to way
PersonNumber503602
Jul 2016
#94
That was 1980, this is 2016. The GOP has hijacked patriotism, we just rescued it from them.
leftofcool
Jul 2016
#9
A strong show of patriotism...lots of USA signs and flags too last night. Apparently not much
jmg257
Jul 2016
#10
You did read the OP, right? I was referring to his fear about 1980 USA chants vs last night.
jmg257
Jul 2016
#38
There are many slogans that have never been shouted while breaking peoples' ribs.
stone space
Jul 2016
#20
So the people at the convention would have supported your friend being attacked?
hack89
Jul 2016
#45
I think "we suck as a country" is the chant of choice. God knows that's worked for the
sufrommich
Jul 2016
#33
So now folks who oppose war are unAmerican? Is that the whole point of the chant?
stone space
Jul 2016
#65
You're assuming that the opposition shouts were genuine; some of us doubt their motivation (nt)
LongtimeAZDem
Jul 2016
#66
No, I don't, but I would point out that your incessant harping on the issue is a large part
LongtimeAZDem
Jul 2016
#68
I'm not; why are you equating democratic delegates with the violence of 36 years ago? (nt)
LongtimeAZDem
Jul 2016
#70
Why are Democratic delegates being called "unAmerican" here in this thread? (nt)
stone space
Jul 2016
#78
No sympathies. None. The context you offered was completely misplaced and off kilter,
procon
Jul 2016
#87
If Canadians started chanting Canada at one of their political events
PersonNumber503602
Jul 2016
#95
So, it's long past time for us to reclaim that chant, don't you think? (nt)
LongtimeAZDem
Jul 2016
#59