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In reply to the discussion: This is not how I remember the micheal brown shooting. From wiki [View all]kristopher
(29,798 posts)115. From 'minimum force' to 'Unleashing the Warrior Spirit'
Law enforcement officers should use only the amount of force necessary to mitigate an incident, make an arrest, or protect themselves or others from harm. The levels, or continuum, of force police use include basic verbal and physical restraint, less-lethal force, and lethal force.
http://www.nij.gov/topics/law-enforcement/officer-safety/use-of-force/pages/welcome.aspx
Unleashing the Warrior Spirit
There are times when a cops best defense is a good offense.
<snip>
There needs to be more-much more. There should also be a mindset that is taught to every officer about how to go from the defensive to the offensive. You need to know how to release the beast from within in order to survive and win. There's a time to talk and a time to fight. There are times when your nice guy Mr. Rogers community-policing personality needs to be replaced by Godzilla.
Mindset is important for any officer. The ability to change from prey to predator can save you from bodily harm or even death. When the time is right, you must know how to draw from within and understand that the will to win and survive isn't just a nice attribute, but a critical one.
Law enforcement critics may say that offensive training can turn officers into goons and thugs. That's true, if you don't know when and where to shift from the defensive mindset to the offensive mindset. You can become a bully. And that's bad. But not being able to make the shift to the offensive when you need to can turn you into a hospital patient or a corpse, and that's worse.
Further, your ethics and knowledge of criminal law will help you decide when to go into an offensive mode. Your training and experience are used as the filtering mechanism in deciding when to go offensive....
There are times when a cops best defense is a good offense.
<snip>
There needs to be more-much more. There should also be a mindset that is taught to every officer about how to go from the defensive to the offensive. You need to know how to release the beast from within in order to survive and win. There's a time to talk and a time to fight. There are times when your nice guy Mr. Rogers community-policing personality needs to be replaced by Godzilla.
Mindset is important for any officer. The ability to change from prey to predator can save you from bodily harm or even death. When the time is right, you must know how to draw from within and understand that the will to win and survive isn't just a nice attribute, but a critical one.
Law enforcement critics may say that offensive training can turn officers into goons and thugs. That's true, if you don't know when and where to shift from the defensive mindset to the offensive mindset. You can become a bully. And that's bad. But not being able to make the shift to the offensive when you need to can turn you into a hospital patient or a corpse, and that's worse.
Further, your ethics and knowledge of criminal law will help you decide when to go into an offensive mode. Your training and experience are used as the filtering mechanism in deciding when to go offensive....
http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/articles/2003/03/guest-editorial.aspx
Note in particular this paragraph where the life of the officer is valued above the life of innocents. Yes, that is what it says:
Law enforcement critics may say that offensive training can turn officers into goons and thugs. That's true, if you don't know when and where to shift from the defensive mindset to the offensive mindset. You can become a bully. And that's bad. But not being able to make the shift to the offensive when you need to can turn you into a hospital patient or a corpse, and that's worse.
To not be a goon or thug, requires the knowledge to shift.
It makes one a "bully".
That is bad.
"BUT"
Not being able to do it when you need it is worse than the potential for creating thugs, goons, and bullies and inflicting their behavior on an innocent public.
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Blasting an unarmed person 12 times seems pretty representative to me of police violence
brush
Jul 2016
#5
Look up what unarmed means. Also while you're at it look up how the cop in North Charleston also . .
brush
Jul 2016
#12
You believe the cop. I don't. We've all seen videos that have proved many cops lie to cover. . .
brush
Jul 2016
#61
The white guy construction workers said he had his hands up and cop kept shooting
brush
Jul 2016
#71
Of course you would take the word of the cop. He's the only one who said Brown charged into . . .
brush
Jul 2016
#95
Well said, well reasoned post. The cop apologists here probably won't give it credence . . .
brush
Aug 2016
#131
Oh do go on, is it cause he was one of those hepped up super black men the police fear so much?
CBGLuthier
Jul 2016
#6
We've seen many examples of white people doing to cops things that would have gotten a black man kil
Ohioblue22
Jul 2016
#41
Um , wouldn't use that "fact" even if the math is correct as there is an inherent problem in it
pkdu
Jul 2016
#78
You seem to having trouble making a point? or are you just throwing out a list of unrelated data
pkdu
Jul 2016
#88
Dylan Roof was calmly brought into police custody after killing nine people during a prayer service
Ohioblue22
Aug 2016
#158
The guy was unarmed. The cop didn't know about the convenience store incident yet still gunned . . .
brush
Jul 2016
#72
So you believe his criminal counterpart over Obama's Justice Department....got it
pipoman
Jul 2016
#97
Again, false; the dispatcher alerted the "seating in progress", with descriptions, well before (nt)
LongtimeAZDem
Jul 2016
#56
See post 20 below...the Justice Department disagrees and actually has evidence to the contrary
pipoman
Jul 2016
#92
I think you meant to post this to someone else, because you're agreeing with me
LongtimeAZDem
Jul 2016
#93
because a couple dollars worth of blunts are trivial compared to your life? nt
killbotfactory
Jul 2016
#86
So he was running away, stopped, turned around and charged at a cop with a gun drawn?
killbotfactory
Jul 2016
#89
(no one in their right mind is claiming that Wilson knew about the convenience store incident until
Ohioblue22
Jul 2016
#14
On the contrary...the JD investigation reported Wilson was aware of the robbery BEFORE he stopped
True Earthling
Jul 2016
#26
If he knew about the robbery he would have tried to arrest them Them instead of just telling them to
Ohioblue22
Jul 2016
#40
The same doj that couldn't find anything actionable with the fraud committed by the banksters
Ohioblue22
Jul 2016
#43
The Obama doj let the banksters walk, trust only goes so far. Strangely the u.s. Couldn't find
Ohioblue22
Jul 2016
#42
The information in the OP is consistent with the Justice Department findings.
Trust Buster
Jul 2016
#51
Because you remember the media and activist narrative that spread wildly right after
Lee-Lee
Jul 2016
#52
I've always thought this particular case didn't deserve as much attention as some others.
Lil Missy
Jul 2016
#53
Exactly; one of the points of the BLM manifesto is "Independently investigate and prosecute police
LongtimeAZDem
Jul 2016
#109
It seems to be the opposite effect imo, people are reading what they type and realize
Rex
Jul 2016
#112
You are correct. But whatever happened, there was no excuse to shoot Brown that many times.
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#106
Well it doesn't help that the city PD was holding the entire population of POC economic
Rex
Jul 2016
#111
While I thank you for the heads-up on that was it really that hard to find?
Ohioblue22
Aug 2016
#138