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117. It is possible to support both charter and public schools

Reply to kcr (Reply #113)

Wed Aug 3, 2016, 12:13 PM

Aug 2016

especially when charter schools are public schools like they are in Rhode Island.

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Why is school choice not a Democratic issue? [View all] Doctor Who Aug 2016 OP

Hey doctor who madokie Aug 2016 #1

Sorry we disagree. Doctor Who Aug 2016 #5

Its offensive to me madokie Aug 2016 #6

The goal is ALL schools be good and ALL Hortensis Aug 2016 #13

Charter schools madokie Aug 2016 #20

Yup. But any government commitment to serving Hortensis Aug 2016 #27

Yup madokie Aug 2016 #33

Which part do you factually disagree with? TipTok Aug 2016 #131

for profit doesn't mean better, do some research. elehhhhna Aug 2016 #76

Sigh..charter schools in Philly are controlled and chartered by the school msanthrope Aug 2016 #43

You also have the option of moving heaven and earth to improve the existing schools LanternWaste Aug 2016 #2

My "narrative"? I'm simply asking a question. NT. Doctor Who Aug 2016 #14

Charter schools have little if any oversight dlwickham Aug 2016 #3

Good point.. Doctor Who Aug 2016 #10

How do charter schools do thucythucy Aug 2016 #26

At least in NC charter schools just accept all applicants Lee-Lee Aug 2016 #68

but then if a kid they wind up taking is disabled, a trouble maker, or just lousy as a student dsc Aug 2016 #80

I think the standards for expelling them are the same as regular schools Lee-Lee Aug 2016 #97

you are wrong on both counts dsc Aug 2016 #98

This is what I've heard thucythucy Aug 2016 #99

On the nose dlwickham Aug 2016 #71

In Rhode Island, charter schools are public schools and cannot pick and choose students. hack89 Aug 2016 #115

Charter schools mercuryblues Aug 2016 #39

Actually radical noodle Aug 2016 #54

Without good teachers the kids are screwed dlwickham Aug 2016 #69

You may need that suit! redstatebluegirl Aug 2016 #102

Thank you to everyone for their spirited response. Great, fair debate is my favorite part of DU. NT. Doctor Who Aug 2016 #124

Could it be that a strong public school system is one of the foundation stones of American ideals? 63splitwindow Aug 2016 #4

and anyone advocating for anything else madokie Aug 2016 #8

Here's ten reasons why... SticksnStones Aug 2016 #7

thanks......the two best reasons, IMO, from your excellent, concise link: Gabi Hayes Aug 2016 #108

Very good link and I thank you too. Jim Beard Aug 2016 #135

My tax dollars should not go to line the pockets of the rich at the expense Exilednight Aug 2016 #9

Many private "academies" popped up in the '60s to evade school desegregation. 63splitwindow Aug 2016 #11

to be 100% honest, I send my children to private school. Exilednight Aug 2016 #23

Do taxpayers pay via vouchers or is the school TOTALLY privately funded? 63splitwindow Aug 2016 #25

it's completely privately funded. There are kids there on scholarship, but those Exilednight Aug 2016 #40

That is OK as long as you pay the same taxes you would if your children went to public school. 63splitwindow Aug 2016 #42

White flight MattBaggins Aug 2016 #24

The problem is the schools suck Travis_0004 Aug 2016 #92

Competition Ms. Yertle Aug 2016 #63

That's not the teachers fault. that's the fault of the community for failing Exilednight Aug 2016 #94

It's not all or nothing... TipTok Aug 2016 #132

The ability to choose the school one attends should be reserved for those who can afford it. hughee99 Aug 2016 #12

Dr. Who - Welcome to DU... and I'll politely explain our opinion of charter schools groundloop Aug 2016 #15

Thanks groundloop. Doctor Who Aug 2016 #21

Um...not the opinion of many PA DUers who understand that the Philly charter system is msanthrope Aug 2016 #51

yeah but what happens when a kid doesn't pass muster in one of those schools dsc Aug 2016 #81

Not just PA DUers. Lots of people think charter schools are fine and dandy. They're wrong. kcr Aug 2016 #113

It is possible to support both charter and public schools hack89 Aug 2016 #117

No, it's not. kcr Aug 2016 #119

The voters of Rhode Island disagree with you. hack89 Aug 2016 #120

I don't care if the voters in RI disagree with me kcr Aug 2016 #121

All I can say is that charters are popular and demand for them is high. hack89 Aug 2016 #122

You can send your kids to all charter schools are r private schools you want world wide wally Aug 2016 #16

Do what my parents did - DURHAM D Aug 2016 #17

Really, you shouldn't have to move to good schools. groundloop Aug 2016 #18

I agree. Fund all schools but there are obstacles. DURHAM D Aug 2016 #28

Fear of compromising with something too distant. Festivito Aug 2016 #19

People are pro-choice on some things, anti-choice on other things The2ndWheel Aug 2016 #22

Unless more and more people are a part of it. Well, yeah. kcr Aug 2016 #116

No, this isn't about "choice". People are free to send their kids to private school; they're just Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #133

We need to spend tax money on public schools. By not voting for school taxes and bonds upaloopa Aug 2016 #29

Actually---in Philly, they do. Philly charters are district granted and overseen, and are by msanthrope Aug 2016 #46

Public taxes should not be used to fund procon Aug 2016 #30

That's why school choice isn't a Democratic issue, right there. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2016 #31

"School choice" is fucking bullshit. hunter Aug 2016 #32

Philadelphia charter schools are filled with poor POC. Doctor Who Aug 2016 #35

"POC" hunter Aug 2016 #55

Right, let's not do anything till the old system is fixed. Doctor Who Aug 2016 #72

Please proceed, sir. hunter Aug 2016 #75

That last post may have been out of line.... Doctor Who Aug 2016 #86

hunter, k&r saidsimplesimon Aug 2016 #50

Charter schools and disabled students bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #34

It's lottery pick in Philly. nt msanthrope Aug 2016 #49

You're not from around these parts, are ya, friend? Stinky The Clown Aug 2016 #36

so suck it up, send your kid to a failing school.. Doctor Who Aug 2016 #37

Good. Now don't lose it. Stinky The Clown Aug 2016 #38

That's right wing rhetoric. There's no such thing Warpy Aug 2016 #127

you'd find a more receptive audience at the Freak Republic Skittles Aug 2016 #130

I am. And I'm kinda surprised you haven't taken the time to study the Philly model msanthrope Aug 2016 #53

Are you in the right place? renie408 Aug 2016 #41

I think so... Doctor Who Aug 2016 #44

I think your views are at odds with the majority of Democrats renie408 Aug 2016 #58

You will note the ignorance on this thread about the nature of charters in Philly.... msanthrope Aug 2016 #45

But it's a fucking lottery... hunter Aug 2016 #66

Exactly---you can't use your influence, or otherwise game the system to get msanthrope Aug 2016 #67

Our nation deserves better than that. hunter Aug 2016 #73

I don't disagree. But the problem is that you cannot expect parents who must educate msanthrope Aug 2016 #77

Perhaps we should have a lottery for Social Security or Medicare. hunter Aug 2016 #106

Again......I don't disagree. But schools are local. There's the rub. nt msanthrope Aug 2016 #109

Wonder what would happen........ MyOwnPeace Aug 2016 #90

What would happen if the MIC was solely supported by property taxes? hunter Aug 2016 #107

We moved (at great expense) to an area with better schools for our children. Throd Aug 2016 #47

Like the Obama family, I send my kid to private school. aikoaiko Aug 2016 #48

I did the same thing ripcord Aug 2016 #88

It takes more money out of public schools and makes them even worse. onecaliberal Aug 2016 #52

Since you don't have kids, and have never had any direct experience frazzled Aug 2016 #56

Because I live in Philly and watch the news. Doctor Who Aug 2016 #65

You believe everything you hear in the news? frazzled Aug 2016 #70

Jim Gardner isn't telling me the facts? Doctor Who Aug 2016 #78

so, pretty much the same info stream as the donald . . . . n/t annabanana Aug 2016 #134

Good post. :thumbsup: Orrex Aug 2016 #110

Better to ask why the Philly schools suck and what can be done to fix it. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2016 #57

because "school choice" is a way to funnel public school funds to religious institutions, basically. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #59

Exactly. GreenPartyVoter Aug 2016 #64

+1 JoePhilly Aug 2016 #79

You're late to the party. Starry Messenger Aug 2016 #60

Hi, Starry! Here's a link to all the data on schools... YvonneCa Aug 2016 #82

Oh yeah, love her. Starry Messenger Aug 2016 #96

Hey misanthrope, you sound local... Doctor Who Aug 2016 #61

Be careful what you wish for meadowlark5 Aug 2016 #62

^^^THIS^^^ is where choice takes you:choosing who gets rich on your tax dollars lindysalsagal Aug 2016 #87

I choose better public schools rocktivity Aug 2016 #74

In some large districts, they are experimenting with choice among public schools. aikoaiko Aug 2016 #83

most of us support our public schools MFM008 Aug 2016 #84

Or, even better, LWolf Aug 2016 #85

In Maryland the teachers in the charter schools belong to the same teacher's union as everyone else. Vattel Aug 2016 #91

They belong to the same union. LWolf Aug 2016 #93

I don't think smaller classes are needed everywhere, by the way, which would cost tons. Vattel Aug 2016 #95

Wow. LWolf Aug 2016 #104

You might want to look at an HBO documentary about a Baltimore public high school Vattel Aug 2016 #112

It's union busting JohnnyRingo Aug 2016 #89

That's exactly what it's about. kcr Aug 2016 #118

Where I live, this has busted unions and made public schools worse and all schools much less diverse gollygee Aug 2016 #100

Because good schools ARE a Democratic issue. ALL schools should be treated equally. tonyt53 Aug 2016 #101

Because the Democrats' issue is PUBLIC schools, not charter schools. no_hypocrisy Aug 2016 #103

Another reason: There are disabled and other special learning needs children in our schools. Ilsa Aug 2016 #105

If I lived in a terrible school district.... Adrahil Aug 2016 #111

because most of the choices are private schools which librechik Aug 2016 #114

I'll boil it down for you: It's a long-term RW ploy to destroy the public school system.... Hekate Aug 2016 #123

It's taking money away from public schools. Then when the student finds out the charter school suck B Calm Aug 2016 #125

Because it defunds public schools. mahina Aug 2016 #126

Leaving aside the not insignificant problems with charter schools. Ms. Toad Aug 2016 #128

no charter schools runaway hero Aug 2016 #129