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tblue37

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88. I know. Possibly Scotch-Irish, since that ethnic background is heavily represented in
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 12:12 PM
Aug 2016

The South and Southeastern US. (My mom was Scotch-Irish on her mother's side; her father was a Russian Jewish immigrant.)

But my dad's family, who are otherwise wonderful people, are Republicans, as was he. It is part of their "tribal identity," and they probably won't change because it is tribal identity rather than actual political thought that determines their votes--which is the case for most people. It is like identifying with their school sports team or professional sports team, regardless of whether the team wins, regardless of whether the players are nice or nasty members of the community.

And since both in politics and in sports, your team competes agonically with another team, for most people part of that identification involves being riled up against the opponent, who is seen as the "enemy."

I had a student once whose friends and many family members ostracized her for choosing to attend KU because she was from Missouri: KU's longtime sports rival was Missouri. They called the rivalry the "Border Wars," referencing the Civil War conflict the Kansas Jayhawks borrowed their name from.

As they saw it, she was a traitor for going over to the enemy. She had chosen KU because we had the best regional program for her major, but rational considerations did not enter into their assessment, nor did they think she should consider such things. All that mattered to them was being loyal to the "team."

Vile insults and even violence and vandalism are common between such sports tribes, just as they are between political tribes. Before the two schools ended up in different conferences, I used to hear people at KU--even professors and deans--snarl, "I HATE those people!"

The easiest thing for a demagogue to do is to get people to identify excessively and irrationally with a tribe and then rile them up to hate, hate, hate the members of another tribe perceived as opponents.

We see that here during every primary. The vicious attacks on fellow Democrats-liberals-progressives, members of our own tribe, occur because people identify with more narrowly defined tribes within the larger one--IOW, factions. It is especially enlightening to observe the behavior of members who have switched their tribal identification since 2008. Despite vilifying Hillary in the most extreme language 8 years ago, once they changed their tribal identification, they glorified her in similarly extreme terms and similarly vilified any who opposed her. Many of Hillary's tribe didn't just support her, but hated not only Bernie's supporters, but Bernie himself--and some STILL can't let go of their agonic response!

In the same way, many of Bernie's tribe responded to him as an idol rather than as a politician--a good man, surely, just as HRC is a good woman, but NOT a god or a savior any more than Hillary is. As we know all too well, some of Bernie's supporters also cannot let go of their hatred for the other tribe and their rival god, so we still see attacks from a few members of both tribes, while quite a few of the people whose tribe was defeated have left DU altogether.

But although I strongly supported Bernie, I never saw Hillary or her supporters as an enemy tribe, so I have no trouble supporting Hillary in the GE as strongly as I supported Bernie in the primary. I must admit, though, that I was disappointed when DU members whom I have long respected and read with pleasure stooped to hurling the sort of invective at other DU members that one hears from rabid sports fans insulting fans of the opposing team. I was also disgusted to see DU members vilifying Hillary or Bernie in terms appallingly similar to the worst language used by Trump and the GOP generally against Hillary and Obama.

None of our politicians are perfect, but Obama, Hillary, and Bernie at least TRY to move the ball down the field for us, though progress is necessarily incremental when the other team is so powerful and when half or more of our team only show up for a handful of the big plays (and only every four years!).

I know how powerful our instinctive responses are, how difficult to suppress through reason and self control. I just felt sad to see so many here wallow in tribal rage against others in the same tribe, just as my Missouri student's friends and family turned against her for daring to choose KU, the school they consider the enemy. I would LIKE to think the tribe I belong to is capable of being at least somewhat more rational and temperate than the Republican base.

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Now if the Hillary crowds started chanting "throw her out" randr Aug 2016 #1
I get it but... ecodeathmarch Aug 2016 #4
Nor I randr Aug 2016 #15
"Tear up the pre-nup!" would be more appropriate rocktivity Aug 2016 #27
The Hillary crowd would never do that. We've got something called class axiom3 Aug 2016 #35
Yes, but she's a terrible white immigrant and not a terrible brown immigrant groundloop Aug 2016 #44
maybe the Hillary crowds should go high... quickesst Aug 2016 #57
The issue is Trump's racist hypocrisy, not Melania per se. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #62
The real question is: How will Donald throw her under the bus? Because he'll find a way to do it. Squinch Aug 2016 #2
She's been under the bus since ghostsinthemachine Aug 2016 #6
That's because Melania is really Meredith McIver in disguise! randome Aug 2016 #9
Whoa...do you think that's what is going on? PearliePoo2 Aug 2016 #10
Maybe that was the first time she Ilsa Aug 2016 #13
No, that's the plastic surgery. n/t rocktivity Aug 2016 #29
Frozen by Botox, too Hekate Aug 2016 #50
I thought the same as you lanlady Aug 2016 #75
Horrible to discover that, of her son's father lostnfound Aug 2016 #80
"Erased from the internet." Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #11
Precisely ghostsinthemachine Aug 2016 #19
Nothing is ever "gone from the internet." PSPS Aug 2016 #66
She's pretty much invisible. Cracklin Charlie Aug 2016 #14
With the full measure of sarcasm due, mind you.... MADem Aug 2016 #39
To me it's also really sad--for Women BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2016 #59
She has stuff on him, too. We'll soon be hearing more than we want to. blm Aug 2016 #64
Donald requires ironclad prenups and nondisclosure agreements. That is why Ivana tblue37 Aug 2016 #71
I know about those deals, but, for her it still may end up to be more lucrative to spill in the blm Aug 2016 #89
Could it be that she is not allowed to speak out of turn? keithbvadu2 Aug 2016 #69
Well played Sir! JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #77
technically wheniwasincongress Aug 2016 #74
Best Butt Trumpet story yet? EricMaundry Aug 2016 #3
Will the news media pick it up or just ignore it like all the oher stuff. They seem to have doc03 Aug 2016 #5
And the plot thickens. Thinkingabout Aug 2016 #7
It's okay. She is not a minority... TomCADem Aug 2016 #8
there's already at least one Trump fan on video saying that JustinL Aug 2016 #42
"I'm pretty down with Western civilization," malthaussen Aug 2016 #83
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2016 #91
but don't you see, he doesn't need to know anything about Western civilization JustinL Aug 2016 #92
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2016 #93
Wow. calimary Aug 2016 #12
So far the trump followers really don't care if she is an illegal or not. appleannie1 Aug 2016 #17
It's the quantity of melanin in their skin ToxMarz Aug 2016 #34
On TV the other night they were interviewing a Trumpeteer who said just that..... MADem Aug 2016 #40
Frankly, what mostly irks me is this whole "not honest," "not trustworthy" thing. calimary Aug 2016 #60
That is a total canard--blah blah blah email blah blah blah Benghazi. MADem Aug 2016 #68
Irish and Italian immigrants used to be plenty "minded" by this country's bigots. My tblue37 Aug 2016 #72
The speaker might well have been one or both in terms of heritage. MADem Aug 2016 #79
I know. Possibly Scotch-Irish, since that ethnic background is heavily represented in tblue37 Aug 2016 #88
I think our 'tribal rage' is mitigating, somewhat. MADem Aug 2016 #90
They can't keep their shit straight. lpbk2713 Aug 2016 #16
If she did get married Andy823 Aug 2016 #18
Maybe he married her civilly in 2001 under the table, formalized it in 05 and she got her MADem Aug 2016 #43
I could be wrong on the 5 year thing Andy823 Aug 2016 #46
That is possible. He divorced Marla in 99. But why lie about it? appleannie1 Aug 2016 #52
3. mwooldri Aug 2016 #53
So the Melania Trump Score Card is as follows Botany Aug 2016 #20
So the Melania Trump Score Card is as follows. LenaBaby61 Aug 2016 #24
It's about time for a new Mrs. Trump anyway OldRedneck Aug 2016 #21
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The "name that kinda begs to be played with" is just the Slovenian form of "Melanie." Igel Aug 2016 #41
Nobody is making fun of the name. crim son Aug 2016 #55
My guy also has a whole repertoire of names for The Donald. calimary Aug 2016 #56
Ivana took The Donald to the Cleaners--and good for her!! MADem Aug 2016 #45
That's what I've been calling her since day one. crim son Aug 2016 #54
Good thing he kept the box Major Nikon Aug 2016 #87
What did Donald know and when did he know it? What was his role? Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #22
She ees Rrrooshian spy! klook Aug 2016 #23
Boris! Natasha! Where you been? n/t jtuck004 Aug 2016 #30
Bullwinkle and I rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #47
I do wonder if they sent her here to copy things and send them back. jtuck004 Aug 2016 #31
Sit down! Sit down! Go back to Univision! Initech Aug 2016 #26
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Don't worry, it's too late to replace Trump localroger Aug 2016 #38
Zero evidence jberryhill Aug 2016 #32
i'm having a hard time finding how this is devastating Enrique Aug 2016 #33
"Something's going on" bucolic_frolic Aug 2016 #36
She lied!? No ways! Rex Aug 2016 #37
Smell test? Tragl1 Aug 2016 #48
Welcome to DU, Tragl1! calimary Aug 2016 #61
The question is - if she WAS married packman Aug 2016 #49
Although they won't admit to it, many Repukes are a-okay with bigamy and polygamy as long as Rex Aug 2016 #51
Deport deport deport she and the anchor baby Barron must leave..... 4bucksagallon Aug 2016 #58
if there was a first husband, she could stay here after divorce ArcticFox Aug 2016 #63
That assumes there was a divorce or whistler162 Aug 2016 #67
absolutely. ArcticFox Aug 2016 #70
Chief Birther is having Green Card and Marriage Certificate problems bucolic_frolic Aug 2016 #65
It shouldn't be that hard to find out who her wheniwasincongress Aug 2016 #73
It might have been what the French call a mariage blanc lanlady Aug 2016 #76
putin's girl bora13 Aug 2016 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #81
fiancé visa? probably one of the easiest to get for a 'model' hoping for meet-ups w/ wealthy men. Sunlei Aug 2016 #82
I especially love that the source of this post is Univision. marble falls Aug 2016 #84
would she be deported if hispanic? good to be white dembotoz Aug 2016 #85
Melania Trump is not running for President. Iggo Aug 2016 #86
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