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Buckeye_Democrat

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24. I looked for the LBJ phone recordings again...

Tue Aug 9, 2016, 09:31 AM

Aug 2016

... and they don't make me as upset now. He at least seemed genuinely concerned about the troops at times, and he seemed to also genuinely accept the idea of the Communist domino effect.

However, I'm still not pleased that he seemed to quickly KNOW it would be a long quagmire, yet worries about how Goldwater, Nixon and others would use an exit from Vietnam as a political weapon at least partially prodded him to carry on.

By the way, I was born in the latter half of the 60's. Although I've discussed the 50's and 60's with my older siblings many times (I'm the youngest), I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on that time period.

LBJ's conversation with Russell near the end of this video clip probably sums up his attitude the best:

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LBJ was so very wrong. [View all] GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 OP

SC is under a 3 point spread SCantiGOP Aug 2016 #1

I turn 50 in just over a month GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #2

If white, did you, as you grew up, consider the "n" word absolutely normal and appropriate... 63splitwindow Aug 2016 #3

I'm too shamed to answer that question SCantiGOP Aug 2016 #4

Don't be ashamed. You grew up in a culture you didn't create. 63splitwindow Aug 2016 #5

Normal, yes. Heard it all the time. GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #9

" He left small town south because he could not stand the hate. " 63splitwindow Aug 2016 #13

Different? GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #15

I'm from GA, born in 1946 brer cat Aug 2016 #23

I agree it was not usually hate. More just a sense of separation and superiority. 63splitwindow Aug 2016 #27

Native Floridian, lived in the south all my life OriginalGeek Aug 2016 #28

2 generations + elleng Aug 2016 #6

LBJ never foresaw someone as offensive and caustic.... Raster Aug 2016 #7

FDR developed the southern strategy. former9thward Aug 2016 #8

A generation is about 25 years, so he was actually right book_worm Aug 2016 #10

I must polity disagree GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #12

Tonkin Gulf Martin Eden Aug 2016 #11

Great post GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #14

LBJ wouldn't be shocked by the racism. It was even worse during his long career. Martin Eden Aug 2016 #17

This back and forth has been very enlightening GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #19

Vietnam was a big part of my political awakening Martin Eden Aug 2016 #21

On Moyers' PBS show, I heard phone recordings of LBJ... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #20

First and foremost it was a political decision Martin Eden Aug 2016 #22

I looked for the LBJ phone recordings again... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #24

K&R... spanone Aug 2016 #16

This is a good thread. longship Aug 2016 #18

Good sentiment, GulfCoast66. n/t Hugin Aug 2016 #25

But LBJ was also so right Proud Public Servant Aug 2016 #26