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Igel

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24. You're right.

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 09:42 PM

Aug 2016

It's a hypocrisy thing. We have no problem saying "POC only" and find justification for the verbal hiccup. But if we saw a notice saying "No POC" we'd be going ballistic at the retrograde atavistic racist knuckle-draggers.

If people are arranging for their own housing they should be able to select roommates. In fact, they would anyway. Saying "No POC" would, just like saying "POC only," simply tell people not to waste their time by inquiring.

If it's university owned housing, then non-discrimination laws apply. The last dorm I was in had a real problem with people not wanting to room with "those people"--wrong skin color, wrong sexual orientation, wrong age, borderline personality disorders. Until it got to be a real problem with threats (and discipline for said threats) nothing was done. Your morality in those circumstances is dictated by non-discrimination law. The dorm assigned people as they wanted. If you found somebody willing to swap, and the other two roommates involved concurred, that might be acceptable. Or not, if it looked like those involved were being racist.

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Debate Flares After Black College Students Seek A Non-White Roommate [View all] Purveyor Aug 2016 OP

Snowflakerry bluestateguy Aug 2016 #1

Nonsense Haveadream Aug 2016 #55

Nope. This is canonical snowflakery. Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #61

nope- little snowflakes who want their "safe space" - of course assholes come in all forms snooper2 Aug 2016 #235

White people astounded that not everyone wants to be around them all the time mwrguy Aug 2016 #2

If someone doesn't want me to be around them FrodosPet Aug 2016 #10

Exactly mwrguy Aug 2016 #25

Oh come on. That's some racist shit. phleshdef Aug 2016 #21

and you know it's the first time.....how? Skittles Aug 2016 #26

Agree with your last sentence completely... whathehell Aug 2016 #52

Would you take that same attitude toward a white student whathehell Aug 2016 #51

That's what I've been saying too. MrScorpio Aug 2016 #77

"The first time their 'privilege' is challenged and they don't know what to do" whathehell Aug 2016 #85

Yes, we're not talking public accommodation here, we're talking about one's home Warpy Aug 2016 #109

You're right. So when I rent a room in my home... meaculpa2011 Aug 2016 #213

Yeah, you probably could but you'd get as much flack as these people are Warpy Aug 2016 #222

In NYC I can't even say... meaculpa2011 Aug 2016 #223

What did you change it to?... TeeYiYi Aug 2016 #224

Yes. n/t meaculpa2011 Aug 2016 #231

I would wear a Burka and apply LOL snooper2 Aug 2016 #236

I'm amazed half my generation can function in the real world. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #3

It's funny that segregation is accepted and encouraged if it's rebranded in benign way. Oneironaut Aug 2016 #4

It's not really segregation. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #6

No big deal yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #9

Perhaps, but I still wouldn't care. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #16

Theres a term that would be used for that. beevul Aug 2016 #19

Of course.. whathehell Aug 2016 #94

Halloween costumes on the Yale campus were a personal thing too. Or at least they used to be. MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #102

People getting pissed off or upset is a reality of personal choices. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #120

the examples you give are based primarily on sexusl attraction whathehell Aug 2016 #210

I'm not talking about mutual attraction, ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #215

this isn't fucking segregation. i get tired if these outrages if a POC JI7 Aug 2016 #14

Oh the irony, some of the very ethic group that has purposely done self-segregation . . . brush Aug 2016 #30

The whole ' bigotry is ok for me but not for thee' thing is wearing thin.... TipTok Aug 2016 #35

sorry, but white people are not being discriminated institutionally and denied access JI7 Aug 2016 #36

I didn't say systematic discrimination... TipTok Aug 2016 #37

Yup.. whathehell Aug 2016 #53

If people are arranging their own housing, they should be able to select roommates petronius Aug 2016 #5

You're right. Igel Aug 2016 #24

They can do whatever they like Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #63

That is true kcr Aug 2016 #79

They certainly have the legal 'right', but that's not the point whathehell Aug 2016 #84

many people know that; they deliberately try to change the subject. nt TheFrenchRazor Aug 2016 #167

Of course...The poster to whom I was replying claims that whathehell Aug 2016 #205

Tempest in a teapot. Aristus Aug 2016 #7

When I started my freshman year in '68 panader0 Aug 2016 #8

Nice. Skin color is a superficial difference. Chemisse Aug 2016 #144

I think skin color is profound difference. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #150

I agree that it makes a profound difference in one's life. Chemisse Aug 2016 #152

People who are marginalized often like to be around ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #156

The way you stated this makes a lot of sense. Chemisse Aug 2016 #160

I don't consider it segregation unless... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #11

Im sure the KKK won't care if minorities want to live only with themselves davidn3600 Aug 2016 #60

Forced busing didn't work out well. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #65

Bingo! nt MrScorpio Aug 2016 #76

Race is a major socio-political issue right now loyalsister Aug 2016 #114

Isn't that something to work out in the interview process? You don't want a clash of personalities.. Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #121

Why waste the time? loyalsister Aug 2016 #136

All that displays is prejudice towards a group of people for a characteristic they have no control.. Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #143

Are there really not enough people with that characteristic loyalsister Aug 2016 #159

I'm sorry, that rings false to me, I mean, yes, with effort, anyone can choose to only... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #168

It is numerically impossible to not interact with white people loyalsister Aug 2016 #174

And? Is this supposed to be a point of concern? Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #175

You said it rang false loyalsister Aug 2016 #182

I said it rang false because it is false, unless you move to a location below a certain... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #186

Oh please, KMOD Aug 2016 #192

Totally agree... a la izquierda Aug 2016 #250

Dorm rooms can be pretty small. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #12

It does not seem to be about dorms or university-owned housing at all petronius Aug 2016 #15

Ahh, yes. I overlooked that. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #22

Hi Poin.. whathehell Aug 2016 #89

Hi back at ya. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #90

You betcha.. whathehell Aug 2016 #92

You know it... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #45

You must have been in service later than I was. 1939 Aug 2016 #62

I was in the Air Force MrScorpio Aug 2016 #75

It's not pretty...... Red Mountain Aug 2016 #13

Plain prejudice and bigotry. romanic Aug 2016 #17

Sanctioned bigotry. kiva Aug 2016 #18

There's nothing wrong with it The2ndWheel Aug 2016 #20

I'm sure there would be no outrage over a "whites only" ad. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #23

Without a doubt The2ndWheel Aug 2016 #46

Welp, I'm African American and I wouldn't want a underthematrix Aug 2016 #27

That's interesting. I have observed over the years at workplaces that... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #57

Sexism abounds.. whathehell Aug 2016 #103

Not all white women are the same. athena Aug 2016 #81

Exactly. Chemisse Aug 2016 #155

Sexist much? whathehell Aug 2016 #88

Why? I am asking not to snark but to understand. uppityperson Aug 2016 #187

What if you did get a white male roommate and he was really hot, I mean, SMOKING snooper2 Aug 2016 #237

The level of cognitive dissonance on this issue is astounding. tymorial Aug 2016 #28

yup Skittles Aug 2016 #34

Doublethink shadowrider Aug 2016 #54

I'm not so sure. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #64

Sounds like he did white people a favor. linuxman Aug 2016 #29

That's racist as all hell. Odin2005 Aug 2016 #31

If the reverse statement is unacceptable, that should be a clue that it might not be OK. WillowTree Aug 2016 #32

True... deathrind Aug 2016 #191

Brown v Board of Education calm_thinker Aug 2016 #33

Unfortunately, some whites can't take it when they find out that they're not universally loved MrScorpio Aug 2016 #38

What's the thought process there? TipTok Aug 2016 #39

The problem is based in how white supremacy functions. MrScorpio Aug 2016 #40

Total horseshit melman Aug 2016 #42

See, this is the white fragility that I was talking about MrScorpio Aug 2016 #44

For every comment you make, just reverse it and see what it sounds like Democat Aug 2016 #48

See, the thing is that I've posted a couple of articles which went into explaining white fragility MrScorpio Aug 2016 #49

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2016 #56

This claim of white fragility is an awesome silencing tactic Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #66

White people are quite welcome to discuss the phenomena of white fragility, as far as I'm concerned MrScorpio Aug 2016 #72

Still waiting for calm or intelligent... TipTok Aug 2016 #78

I've already pointed out the relevance of white supremacy and white privilege here. MrScorpio Aug 2016 #82

If the 'bigger picture' encourages racism... TipTok Aug 2016 #124

Say you had the opposite treestar Aug 2016 #126

Well, Obama never had any other option MrScorpio Aug 2016 #140

I love your racial posts. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #135

Discuss it?...Good luck finding any who even take it seriously. whathehell Aug 2016 #99

That's a problem, isn't it? MrScorpio Aug 2016 #116

Some ideas are just too silly to be taken seriously mythology Aug 2016 #166

What's interesting here is that no one has asked me... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #180

Not at all, , because most don't identify with it whathehell Aug 2016 #217

I've posted about male privilege, feminism and abortion before, in both general and specific terms MrScorpio Aug 2016 #225

Yes, you certainly have...I haven't seen any of these before...Thanks for providing them. whathehell Aug 2016 #226

"a few"... TeeYiYi Aug 2016 #227

I had some white fragility little over a month ago... snooper2 Aug 2016 #238

I'm glad to see that you made your way through that experience. MrScorpio Aug 2016 #239

Bingo! whathehell Aug 2016 #96

The entire concept of "safe spaces" is prima facie evidence of said fragility (nt) LongtimeAZDem Aug 2016 #104

Good point. whathehell Aug 2016 #105

Your own home can be classified as a 'safe space' MrScorpio Aug 2016 #118

Straw Man, Begging the Question, Circular Reasoning, and Loaded Question LongtimeAZDem Aug 2016 #165

But weren't you doing the same as well? MrScorpio Aug 2016 #181

One would think the people suffering from fragility would need the safe spaces to protect them. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #169

LOL..Funny, how it's only Whites who are 'fragile' when they whathehell Aug 2016 #91

White fragility isn't about whites being discriminated against MrScorpio Aug 2016 #107

No, of course not..I'm not even sure you believe it's a possiblity. whathehell Aug 2016 #108

Hell, even my very white grandmother knew the source for such things was enforced ghettoization... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #119

Lol...Say what? whathehell Aug 2016 #204

Yeah, and the guy who brutalizes women may have had a lousy mother whathehell Aug 2016 #208

So, what is your argument? That black people are intrinsically more violent? Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #211

What a bizarre conclusion,.. No,, I don't believe in inate differences whathehell Aug 2016 #212

So what are you saying, you avoid black people due to cultural reasons? Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #216

Well, why were those three students of color "avoiding" whathehell Aug 2016 #218

I didn't say I was ok with it. Where did I say that? n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #219

No, but you're putting me on the defense about it, while refusing to do the whathehell Aug 2016 #220

What needs to be said is that you're not entitled to dictate how POCs respond to you MrScorpio Aug 2016 #123

In the same breath, you rhapsodize about how white people can't know what it's like to be black... Joe the Revelator Aug 2016 #229

Unfortunately, the problem with that POV... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #230

Again, your stance is that POC can know all there is to know about white ppl, to the point.... Joe the Revelator Aug 2016 #248

I'm saying that, as a matter of survival, in an overtly and covertly white supremacist society... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #249

Exactly what..Thank you. whathehell Aug 2016 #242

Would it be acceptable.... Adrahil Aug 2016 #58

The analogy isn't applicable here... We're talking about roommates. MrScorpio Aug 2016 #69

I think it does. Adrahil Aug 2016 #95

The thing is here, is that quite often... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #115

I'll address the points. Adrahil Aug 2016 #125

Believe or not I know that citing rednecks can be a bad example MrScorpio Aug 2016 #137

I don't think I am. Adrahil Aug 2016 #139

You think of it as exclusion. MrScorpio Aug 2016 #141

Most people want to be rich too, even if they decry the 1% The2ndWheel Aug 2016 #164

Well for one, it's not my definition, it's theirs MrScorpio Aug 2016 #183

Yeah, white, black, liberal, conservative, rich, poor, etc The2ndWheel Aug 2016 #221

No, but white students are as entitled to complain about it as blacks when the situation is reversed whathehell Aug 2016 #243

Ah, the old "reverse racism" trope MrScorpio Aug 2016 #247

Nice attempt to discredit the concept by using words like "trope", but it doesn't work.. whathehell Aug 2016 #251

Obviously, this is another in a long series of conversations on DU... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #253

It's the same shoe, on the same foot. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2016 #71

Actually, it's not the same thing. MrScorpio Aug 2016 #74

None of that is relevant, they are excluding people based solely on the color of their skin... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #93

There's a cultural element as well MrScorpio Aug 2016 #110

I think you put far too much emphasis on these nebulous "cultures" that aren't monolithic... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #117

I'm on my iPod right now MrScorpio Aug 2016 #132

Racism comes in two primary forms: institutional and personally mediated. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2016 #142

Racism only exists as a system MrScorpio Aug 2016 #145

Do they (and you) understand Chemisse Aug 2016 #151

Living as a person of color in this country... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #184

Take it up with Dr Jones lumberjack_jeff Aug 2016 #153

Did you even read that piece MrScorpio Aug 2016 #185

Nonsense...You may be able to justify black separateness as non-racist whathehell Aug 2016 #244

How have you ever been harmed by a PoC in power just because you were white? MrScorpio Aug 2016 #246

Your careful, deliberate parsing of language to excuse discrimination by persons of color... MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #113

I'm not quoting the Bible here MrScorpio Aug 2016 #131

It helps when there is a whole industry... TipTok Aug 2016 #188

I don't think it has to do with that at all treestar Aug 2016 #147

What if someone like Bernie Sanders Shankapotomus Aug 2016 #41

Racism, period. B Calm Aug 2016 #43

I agree. Rustyeye77 Aug 2016 #86

Racism Democat Aug 2016 #47

^^^^^ (nt) LongtimeAZDem Aug 2016 #101

Re-reading the article and reading some of the quotes from students romanic Aug 2016 #50

the college president spoke against it Enrique Aug 2016 #129

After decades of fighting against segregation........ davidn3600 Aug 2016 #59

The universal right of access stops... FrodosPet Aug 2016 #73

What you say is true, but it doesn't immunize them from criticisms of racism. n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #97

These three students are not "an institution". "POC only" seems fine in an advert. JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2016 #67

What if white students put in advert they only wanted white applicants and no POC LisaL Aug 2016 #87

The cries of "Racism"! would be deafening whathehell Aug 2016 #98

Some in this thread are labeling the situation as racist. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #154

Some =/= deafening Lancero Aug 2016 #172

You got me there. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #173

It wouldn't be "some", it would be "most", or to put it another way, whathehell Aug 2016 #252

I agree insofar as those who are calling it that, whathehell Aug 2016 #206

It's a bias, but there's tons of context behind the bias. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #214

Give me a good reason to care. Rex Aug 2016 #68

They'll get see racism everyday...when they look in the mirror. FLPanhandle Aug 2016 #70

For university owned housing, you don't get to make such a request. Off campus you do. UMTerp01 Aug 2016 #80

This is kinda my view of it Chitown Kev Aug 2016 #256

She is doing applicants a favor. Who would want to live with a bunch of racists? Throd Aug 2016 #83

Yup.. whathehell Aug 2016 #100

Interested to hear what all the people saying it's ok because it's not "institutionalized"... MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #106

It's a dodge.. whathehell Aug 2016 #111

What's ironic about this is that if legal action took place... MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #112

We didn't have such terminology when I went to college DFW Aug 2016 #122

Check out this listing of apartments in NYC looking for female roommate only stevenleser Aug 2016 #127

True they could get a fourth POC treestar Aug 2016 #148

I spent today at a work event revolving around diversity tammywammy Aug 2016 #128

I agree; the progress was not made by AA people treestar Aug 2016 #146

Freedom and justice for all? Then why the need for safe spaces? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #130

don't understand the angst DustyJoe Aug 2016 #133

Amazing amount of white privilege in this thread. egduj Aug 2016 #134

even more hypocrisy FLPanhandle Aug 2016 #157

I wouldn't be howling. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #161

And that has been correctly labeled as racist and wrong many times. Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #170

There's no such thing as right or wrong in this context. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #171

I think it depends on how far the prejudice against white people extends. Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #176

Sure, but I don't think we have access to that information ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #177

True, but its been my observation that if you are racist in one area, its generally not confined... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #179

It's a blizzard of white privilege mwrguy Aug 2016 #163

I can dig it... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #196

They have the right to choose whatever roommate they want get the red out Aug 2016 #138

so it would be perfectly acceptable to you if someone put 'Whites Only' on the same time of request? Amishman Aug 2016 #158

Yes. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #162

It would not be acceptable get the red out Aug 2016 #194

Many gay and trans folks I know like to live with ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #149

And here I thought college was to learn new things whistler162 Aug 2016 #178

Equal Housing Opportunity Act. mwooldri Aug 2016 #189

"POC Only�... TeeYiYi Aug 2016 #190

This bigotry is to be expected with the racial demagoguery seen from extremists Taitertots Aug 2016 #193

You're comparing a black college student who wants a black roommate to the Klan? MrScorpio Aug 2016 #195

When they advocate the same policies, they deserve the same condemnation Taitertots Aug 2016 #198

You are aware that the Klan actually lynched black people for being black, right? MrScorpio Aug 2016 #199

David Duke hasn't lynched anyone. I said "David Duke level". Taitertots Aug 2016 #200

What, now you're defending David Duke? Really? MrScorpio Aug 2016 #201

Defending him!? I'm using him as a pejorative for racists. Taitertots Aug 2016 #202

You're using a really bad example to make a point MrScorpio Aug 2016 #203

You're pettifogging and defending racial isolation/segregation Taitertots Aug 2016 #207

You know, once you find yourself stuck deep in a hole... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #209

They're not in a hole melman Aug 2016 #232

Their brand of racism is ok... TipTok Aug 2016 #233

You got it. Bigots always try the hardest to create justification for their bigotry. Taitertots Aug 2016 #254

So, you're also endorsing this ludicrously bad analogy as well? MrScorpio Aug 2016 #234

How dreadful. romanic Aug 2016 #255

Well, I'm sorry to upset your somewhat delicate sensibilities here MrScorpio Aug 2016 #257

I was referring to your general approach and reactions in this thread. romanic Aug 2016 #258

I'm quite sure that most people who are familiar me over these last 14 years on DU MrScorpio Aug 2016 #259

I was passed over to rent a room in SF because I'm straight. Quantess Aug 2016 #197

Fake problem. cheapdate Aug 2016 #228

Big deal. Same if white students only want white roommates. NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #240

public postings usually a very risky way to go about seeking roommates geek tragedy Aug 2016 #241

I think it is a reasonable and understandable request. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #245