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MrScorpio

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40. The problem is based in how white supremacy functions.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 05:39 AM
Aug 2016

Last edited Sat Aug 13, 2016, 06:32 AM - Edit history (4)

Essentially, how it centers and standardizes whiteness in such a way that it relegates non-whiteness to an inferior position in the social hierarchy. Unfortunately, most white people are completely oblivious to any of that and I wouldn't expect most white college aged people know this first hand.

The problem here is that being oblivious to white supremacist thinking and exercising one's down white privileges keeps these certain whites from understanding what they're doing and saying wrong.

After all, they've been raised for the relatively short period of their lives to believe that they're the good people. Raised to believe that they embody the standard of beauty that everyone else should look up to. That they're the very definition of "All-American." Unfortunately, rather than taking the precious time and effort that they need to apply to getting an education, some of these black students would rather not take away any of that to deal with white roommates who happen to be clueless about what kind of country they've been living in.

Not I'm not saying that all whites are problematic in this way... But the majority most certainly are. And even the ones who retain some level of self-awareness of their own degree of white privilege in a white supremacist society are still bound to fall back into old habits. One key problem is the fact that many whites, even liberal, well-lntentioned ones undergo some level of race based stress and exhibit white fragility whenever they're confronted by racial matters.

That shit is really, really frustrating for people of color whenever we have to deal with it. The easy way to get out of that problem is to avoid white people who are prone to going that way.

I'm quite sure that there are some whites who understand how problematic endemic white supremacy is and do what they can to fight it... But we're really talking about whites who have been deeply immersed into and accepting of black people and black culture. Whites who have had no contact, or have only had negative ideas about and negative contact with black people and black culture are going to be the worst people for a black person to deal with.

So, I can see where these black students are coming from. Is it unfair? Yeah, sure. However, it's not like these black students are going to be isolated from the overall problems of a white supremacist society by not having white roommates. The world isn't going to change any time soon. I can see how they wish to have a respite from dealing with it while they're putting all of their energy into getting an education.

Considering all this, one can see what the advantage of attending a HBCU is for a black student. But those schools are not cut out for all black students.

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Snowflakerry bluestateguy Aug 2016 #1
Nonsense Haveadream Aug 2016 #55
Nope. This is canonical snowflakery. Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #61
nope- little snowflakes who want their "safe space" - of course assholes come in all forms snooper2 Aug 2016 #235
White people astounded that not everyone wants to be around them all the time mwrguy Aug 2016 #2
If someone doesn't want me to be around them FrodosPet Aug 2016 #10
Exactly mwrguy Aug 2016 #25
Oh come on. That's some racist shit. phleshdef Aug 2016 #21
and you know it's the first time.....how? Skittles Aug 2016 #26
Agree with your last sentence completely... whathehell Aug 2016 #52
Would you take that same attitude toward a white student whathehell Aug 2016 #51
That's what I've been saying too. MrScorpio Aug 2016 #77
"The first time their 'privilege' is challenged and they don't know what to do" whathehell Aug 2016 #85
Yes, we're not talking public accommodation here, we're talking about one's home Warpy Aug 2016 #109
You're right. So when I rent a room in my home... meaculpa2011 Aug 2016 #213
Yeah, you probably could but you'd get as much flack as these people are Warpy Aug 2016 #222
In NYC I can't even say... meaculpa2011 Aug 2016 #223
What did you change it to?... TeeYiYi Aug 2016 #224
Yes. n/t meaculpa2011 Aug 2016 #231
I would wear a Burka and apply LOL snooper2 Aug 2016 #236
I'm amazed half my generation can function in the real world. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #3
It's funny that segregation is accepted and encouraged if it's rebranded in benign way. Oneironaut Aug 2016 #4
It's not really segregation. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #6
No big deal yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #9
Perhaps, but I still wouldn't care. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #16
Theres a term that would be used for that. beevul Aug 2016 #19
Of course.. whathehell Aug 2016 #94
Halloween costumes on the Yale campus were a personal thing too. Or at least they used to be. MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #102
People getting pissed off or upset is a reality of personal choices. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #120
the examples you give are based primarily on sexusl attraction whathehell Aug 2016 #210
I'm not talking about mutual attraction, ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #215
this isn't fucking segregation. i get tired if these outrages if a POC JI7 Aug 2016 #14
Oh the irony, some of the very ethic group that has purposely done self-segregation . . . brush Aug 2016 #30
The whole ' bigotry is ok for me but not for thee' thing is wearing thin.... TipTok Aug 2016 #35
sorry, but white people are not being discriminated institutionally and denied access JI7 Aug 2016 #36
I didn't say systematic discrimination... TipTok Aug 2016 #37
Yup.. whathehell Aug 2016 #53
If people are arranging their own housing, they should be able to select roommates petronius Aug 2016 #5
You're right. Igel Aug 2016 #24
They can do whatever they like Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #63
That is true kcr Aug 2016 #79
They certainly have the legal 'right', but that's not the point whathehell Aug 2016 #84
many people know that; they deliberately try to change the subject. nt TheFrenchRazor Aug 2016 #167
Of course...The poster to whom I was replying claims that whathehell Aug 2016 #205
Tempest in a teapot. Aristus Aug 2016 #7
When I started my freshman year in '68 panader0 Aug 2016 #8
Nice. Skin color is a superficial difference. Chemisse Aug 2016 #144
I think skin color is profound difference. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #150
I agree that it makes a profound difference in one's life. Chemisse Aug 2016 #152
People who are marginalized often like to be around ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #156
The way you stated this makes a lot of sense. Chemisse Aug 2016 #160
I don't consider it segregation unless... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #11
Im sure the KKK won't care if minorities want to live only with themselves davidn3600 Aug 2016 #60
Forced busing didn't work out well. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #65
Bingo! nt MrScorpio Aug 2016 #76
Race is a major socio-political issue right now loyalsister Aug 2016 #114
Isn't that something to work out in the interview process? You don't want a clash of personalities.. Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #121
Why waste the time? loyalsister Aug 2016 #136
All that displays is prejudice towards a group of people for a characteristic they have no control.. Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #143
Are there really not enough people with that characteristic loyalsister Aug 2016 #159
I'm sorry, that rings false to me, I mean, yes, with effort, anyone can choose to only... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #168
It is numerically impossible to not interact with white people loyalsister Aug 2016 #174
And? Is this supposed to be a point of concern? Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #175
You said it rang false loyalsister Aug 2016 #182
I said it rang false because it is false, unless you move to a location below a certain... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #186
Oh please, KMOD Aug 2016 #192
Totally agree... a la izquierda Aug 2016 #250
Dorm rooms can be pretty small. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #12
It does not seem to be about dorms or university-owned housing at all petronius Aug 2016 #15
Ahh, yes. I overlooked that. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #22
Hi Poin.. whathehell Aug 2016 #89
Hi back at ya. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #90
You betcha.. whathehell Aug 2016 #92
You know it... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #45
You must have been in service later than I was. 1939 Aug 2016 #62
I was in the Air Force MrScorpio Aug 2016 #75
It's not pretty...... Red Mountain Aug 2016 #13
Plain prejudice and bigotry. romanic Aug 2016 #17
Sanctioned bigotry. kiva Aug 2016 #18
There's nothing wrong with it The2ndWheel Aug 2016 #20
I'm sure there would be no outrage over a "whites only" ad. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #23
Without a doubt The2ndWheel Aug 2016 #46
Welp, I'm African American and I wouldn't want a underthematrix Aug 2016 #27
That's interesting. I have observed over the years at workplaces that... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #57
Sexism abounds.. whathehell Aug 2016 #103
Not all white women are the same. athena Aug 2016 #81
Exactly. Chemisse Aug 2016 #155
Sexist much? whathehell Aug 2016 #88
Why? I am asking not to snark but to understand. uppityperson Aug 2016 #187
What if you did get a white male roommate and he was really hot, I mean, SMOKING snooper2 Aug 2016 #237
The level of cognitive dissonance on this issue is astounding. tymorial Aug 2016 #28
yup Skittles Aug 2016 #34
Doublethink shadowrider Aug 2016 #54
I'm not so sure. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #64
Sounds like he did white people a favor. linuxman Aug 2016 #29
That's racist as all hell. Odin2005 Aug 2016 #31
If the reverse statement is unacceptable, that should be a clue that it might not be OK. WillowTree Aug 2016 #32
True... deathrind Aug 2016 #191
Brown v Board of Education calm_thinker Aug 2016 #33
Unfortunately, some whites can't take it when they find out that they're not universally loved MrScorpio Aug 2016 #38
What's the thought process there? TipTok Aug 2016 #39
The problem is based in how white supremacy functions. MrScorpio Aug 2016 #40
Total horseshit melman Aug 2016 #42
See, this is the white fragility that I was talking about MrScorpio Aug 2016 #44
For every comment you make, just reverse it and see what it sounds like Democat Aug 2016 #48
See, the thing is that I've posted a couple of articles which went into explaining white fragility MrScorpio Aug 2016 #49
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2016 #56
This claim of white fragility is an awesome silencing tactic Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #66
White people are quite welcome to discuss the phenomena of white fragility, as far as I'm concerned MrScorpio Aug 2016 #72
Still waiting for calm or intelligent... TipTok Aug 2016 #78
I've already pointed out the relevance of white supremacy and white privilege here. MrScorpio Aug 2016 #82
If the 'bigger picture' encourages racism... TipTok Aug 2016 #124
Say you had the opposite treestar Aug 2016 #126
Well, Obama never had any other option MrScorpio Aug 2016 #140
I love your racial posts. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #135
Discuss it?...Good luck finding any who even take it seriously. whathehell Aug 2016 #99
That's a problem, isn't it? MrScorpio Aug 2016 #116
Some ideas are just too silly to be taken seriously mythology Aug 2016 #166
What's interesting here is that no one has asked me... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #180
Not at all, , because most don't identify with it whathehell Aug 2016 #217
I've posted about male privilege, feminism and abortion before, in both general and specific terms MrScorpio Aug 2016 #225
Yes, you certainly have...I haven't seen any of these before...Thanks for providing them. whathehell Aug 2016 #226
"a few"... TeeYiYi Aug 2016 #227
I had some white fragility little over a month ago... snooper2 Aug 2016 #238
I'm glad to see that you made your way through that experience. MrScorpio Aug 2016 #239
Bingo! whathehell Aug 2016 #96
The entire concept of "safe spaces" is prima facie evidence of said fragility (nt) LongtimeAZDem Aug 2016 #104
Good point. whathehell Aug 2016 #105
Your own home can be classified as a 'safe space' MrScorpio Aug 2016 #118
Straw Man, Begging the Question, Circular Reasoning, and Loaded Question LongtimeAZDem Aug 2016 #165
But weren't you doing the same as well? MrScorpio Aug 2016 #181
One would think the people suffering from fragility would need the safe spaces to protect them. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #169
LOL..Funny, how it's only Whites who are 'fragile' when they whathehell Aug 2016 #91
White fragility isn't about whites being discriminated against MrScorpio Aug 2016 #107
No, of course not..I'm not even sure you believe it's a possiblity. whathehell Aug 2016 #108
Hell, even my very white grandmother knew the source for such things was enforced ghettoization... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #119
Lol...Say what? whathehell Aug 2016 #204
Yeah, and the guy who brutalizes women may have had a lousy mother whathehell Aug 2016 #208
So, what is your argument? That black people are intrinsically more violent? Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #211
What a bizarre conclusion,.. No,, I don't believe in inate differences whathehell Aug 2016 #212
So what are you saying, you avoid black people due to cultural reasons? Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #216
Well, why were those three students of color "avoiding" whathehell Aug 2016 #218
I didn't say I was ok with it. Where did I say that? n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #219
No, but you're putting me on the defense about it, while refusing to do the whathehell Aug 2016 #220
What needs to be said is that you're not entitled to dictate how POCs respond to you MrScorpio Aug 2016 #123
In the same breath, you rhapsodize about how white people can't know what it's like to be black... Joe the Revelator Aug 2016 #229
Unfortunately, the problem with that POV... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #230
Again, your stance is that POC can know all there is to know about white ppl, to the point.... Joe the Revelator Aug 2016 #248
I'm saying that, as a matter of survival, in an overtly and covertly white supremacist society... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #249
Exactly what..Thank you. whathehell Aug 2016 #242
Would it be acceptable.... Adrahil Aug 2016 #58
The analogy isn't applicable here... We're talking about roommates. MrScorpio Aug 2016 #69
I think it does. Adrahil Aug 2016 #95
The thing is here, is that quite often... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #115
I'll address the points. Adrahil Aug 2016 #125
Believe or not I know that citing rednecks can be a bad example MrScorpio Aug 2016 #137
I don't think I am. Adrahil Aug 2016 #139
You think of it as exclusion. MrScorpio Aug 2016 #141
Most people want to be rich too, even if they decry the 1% The2ndWheel Aug 2016 #164
Well for one, it's not my definition, it's theirs MrScorpio Aug 2016 #183
Yeah, white, black, liberal, conservative, rich, poor, etc The2ndWheel Aug 2016 #221
No, but white students are as entitled to complain about it as blacks when the situation is reversed whathehell Aug 2016 #243
Ah, the old "reverse racism" trope MrScorpio Aug 2016 #247
Nice attempt to discredit the concept by using words like "trope", but it doesn't work.. whathehell Aug 2016 #251
Obviously, this is another in a long series of conversations on DU... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #253
It's the same shoe, on the same foot. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2016 #71
Actually, it's not the same thing. MrScorpio Aug 2016 #74
None of that is relevant, they are excluding people based solely on the color of their skin... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #93
There's a cultural element as well MrScorpio Aug 2016 #110
I think you put far too much emphasis on these nebulous "cultures" that aren't monolithic... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #117
I'm on my iPod right now MrScorpio Aug 2016 #132
Racism comes in two primary forms: institutional and personally mediated. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2016 #142
Racism only exists as a system MrScorpio Aug 2016 #145
Do they (and you) understand Chemisse Aug 2016 #151
Living as a person of color in this country... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #184
Take it up with Dr Jones lumberjack_jeff Aug 2016 #153
Did you even read that piece MrScorpio Aug 2016 #185
Nonsense...You may be able to justify black separateness as non-racist whathehell Aug 2016 #244
How have you ever been harmed by a PoC in power just because you were white? MrScorpio Aug 2016 #246
Your careful, deliberate parsing of language to excuse discrimination by persons of color... MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #113
I'm not quoting the Bible here MrScorpio Aug 2016 #131
It helps when there is a whole industry... TipTok Aug 2016 #188
I don't think it has to do with that at all treestar Aug 2016 #147
What if someone like Bernie Sanders Shankapotomus Aug 2016 #41
Racism, period. B Calm Aug 2016 #43
I agree. Rustyeye77 Aug 2016 #86
Racism Democat Aug 2016 #47
^^^^^ (nt) LongtimeAZDem Aug 2016 #101
Re-reading the article and reading some of the quotes from students romanic Aug 2016 #50
the college president spoke against it Enrique Aug 2016 #129
After decades of fighting against segregation........ davidn3600 Aug 2016 #59
The universal right of access stops... FrodosPet Aug 2016 #73
What you say is true, but it doesn't immunize them from criticisms of racism. n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #97
These three students are not "an institution". "POC only" seems fine in an advert. JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2016 #67
What if white students put in advert they only wanted white applicants and no POC LisaL Aug 2016 #87
The cries of "Racism"! would be deafening whathehell Aug 2016 #98
Some in this thread are labeling the situation as racist. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #154
Some =/= deafening Lancero Aug 2016 #172
You got me there. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #173
It wouldn't be "some", it would be "most", or to put it another way, whathehell Aug 2016 #252
I agree insofar as those who are calling it that, whathehell Aug 2016 #206
It's a bias, but there's tons of context behind the bias. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #214
Give me a good reason to care. Rex Aug 2016 #68
They'll get see racism everyday...when they look in the mirror. FLPanhandle Aug 2016 #70
For university owned housing, you don't get to make such a request. Off campus you do. UMTerp01 Aug 2016 #80
This is kinda my view of it Chitown Kev Aug 2016 #256
She is doing applicants a favor. Who would want to live with a bunch of racists? Throd Aug 2016 #83
Yup.. whathehell Aug 2016 #100
Interested to hear what all the people saying it's ok because it's not "institutionalized"... MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #106
It's a dodge.. whathehell Aug 2016 #111
What's ironic about this is that if legal action took place... MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #112
We didn't have such terminology when I went to college DFW Aug 2016 #122
Check out this listing of apartments in NYC looking for female roommate only stevenleser Aug 2016 #127
True they could get a fourth POC treestar Aug 2016 #148
I spent today at a work event revolving around diversity tammywammy Aug 2016 #128
I agree; the progress was not made by AA people treestar Aug 2016 #146
Freedom and justice for all? Then why the need for safe spaces? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #130
don't understand the angst DustyJoe Aug 2016 #133
Amazing amount of white privilege in this thread. egduj Aug 2016 #134
even more hypocrisy FLPanhandle Aug 2016 #157
I wouldn't be howling. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #161
And that has been correctly labeled as racist and wrong many times. Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #170
There's no such thing as right or wrong in this context. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #171
I think it depends on how far the prejudice against white people extends. Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #176
Sure, but I don't think we have access to that information ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #177
True, but its been my observation that if you are racist in one area, its generally not confined... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #179
It's a blizzard of white privilege mwrguy Aug 2016 #163
I can dig it... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #196
They have the right to choose whatever roommate they want get the red out Aug 2016 #138
so it would be perfectly acceptable to you if someone put 'Whites Only' on the same time of request? Amishman Aug 2016 #158
Yes. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #162
It would not be acceptable get the red out Aug 2016 #194
Many gay and trans folks I know like to live with ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #149
And here I thought college was to learn new things whistler162 Aug 2016 #178
Equal Housing Opportunity Act. mwooldri Aug 2016 #189
"POC Only“... TeeYiYi Aug 2016 #190
This bigotry is to be expected with the racial demagoguery seen from extremists Taitertots Aug 2016 #193
You're comparing a black college student who wants a black roommate to the Klan? MrScorpio Aug 2016 #195
When they advocate the same policies, they deserve the same condemnation Taitertots Aug 2016 #198
You are aware that the Klan actually lynched black people for being black, right? MrScorpio Aug 2016 #199
David Duke hasn't lynched anyone. I said "David Duke level". Taitertots Aug 2016 #200
What, now you're defending David Duke? Really? MrScorpio Aug 2016 #201
Defending him!? I'm using him as a pejorative for racists. Taitertots Aug 2016 #202
You're using a really bad example to make a point MrScorpio Aug 2016 #203
You're pettifogging and defending racial isolation/segregation Taitertots Aug 2016 #207
You know, once you find yourself stuck deep in a hole... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #209
They're not in a hole melman Aug 2016 #232
Their brand of racism is ok... TipTok Aug 2016 #233
You got it. Bigots always try the hardest to create justification for their bigotry. Taitertots Aug 2016 #254
So, you're also endorsing this ludicrously bad analogy as well? MrScorpio Aug 2016 #234
How dreadful. romanic Aug 2016 #255
Well, I'm sorry to upset your somewhat delicate sensibilities here MrScorpio Aug 2016 #257
I was referring to your general approach and reactions in this thread. romanic Aug 2016 #258
I'm quite sure that most people who are familiar me over these last 14 years on DU MrScorpio Aug 2016 #259
I was passed over to rent a room in SF because I'm straight. Quantess Aug 2016 #197
Fake problem. cheapdate Aug 2016 #228
Big deal. Same if white students only want white roommates. NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #240
public postings usually a very risky way to go about seeking roommates geek tragedy Aug 2016 #241
I think it is a reasonable and understandable request. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #245
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