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In reply to the discussion: Debate Flares After Black College Students Seek A Non-White Roommate [View all]MrScorpio
(73,772 posts)230. Unfortunately, the problem with that POV...
Is that it disregards what POCs understand about white America, things which most whites are unaware of themselves. Things that we need to understand simply as a matter of OUR basic survival:
10 things black people fear that white people simply dont
It goes beyond racial profiling. African Americans are subjected to countless microaggressions on a daily basis
TERRELL JERMAINE STARR, ALTERNET
When black people wake up and begin the day, we have a wide range of issues we have to think about before leaving our homes. Will a police officer kill us today? Or, will some George Zimmerman vigilante see us as a threat in our own neighborhoods and kill us? We brace ourselves for those white colleagues who are pissed Barack Obama won both elections and take out their racist rage on us. When we drive our cars, we have to wonder if well be pulled over because our cars look too expensive for a black person to be driving. If were poor and sick, we wonder if well be able to be treated for our illness. We have a lot on our minds, and sometimes its overwhelming.
Here are a few examples of things we have to be afraid of that white people dont (or not nearly as much).
1. Getting fired because we dont fit into white cultural norms. Rhonda Lee, an African American meteorologist who worked at a Louisiana TV station wore her hair in a natural hairstyle one viewer found offensive. The black lady that does the news is a very nice lady. The only thing is she needs to wear a wig or grow some more hair. Im not sure if she is a cancer patient. But still its not something myself that I think looks good on TV, the viewer wrote on the stations Facebook page.
After Lee posted a respectful reply to the mans insulting remark, she was fired for violating the stations social media policy, even though she wasnt made aware there was one. It took her nearly two years to find a new job. She has filed a discrimination lawsuit against the station that is still pending.
http://www.salon.com/2015/03/18/10_things_black_people_fear_that_white_people_simply_dont_have_to_partner/
It goes beyond racial profiling. African Americans are subjected to countless microaggressions on a daily basis
TERRELL JERMAINE STARR, ALTERNET
When black people wake up and begin the day, we have a wide range of issues we have to think about before leaving our homes. Will a police officer kill us today? Or, will some George Zimmerman vigilante see us as a threat in our own neighborhoods and kill us? We brace ourselves for those white colleagues who are pissed Barack Obama won both elections and take out their racist rage on us. When we drive our cars, we have to wonder if well be pulled over because our cars look too expensive for a black person to be driving. If were poor and sick, we wonder if well be able to be treated for our illness. We have a lot on our minds, and sometimes its overwhelming.
Here are a few examples of things we have to be afraid of that white people dont (or not nearly as much).
1. Getting fired because we dont fit into white cultural norms. Rhonda Lee, an African American meteorologist who worked at a Louisiana TV station wore her hair in a natural hairstyle one viewer found offensive. The black lady that does the news is a very nice lady. The only thing is she needs to wear a wig or grow some more hair. Im not sure if she is a cancer patient. But still its not something myself that I think looks good on TV, the viewer wrote on the stations Facebook page.
After Lee posted a respectful reply to the mans insulting remark, she was fired for violating the stations social media policy, even though she wasnt made aware there was one. It took her nearly two years to find a new job. She has filed a discrimination lawsuit against the station that is still pending.
http://www.salon.com/2015/03/18/10_things_black_people_fear_that_white_people_simply_dont_have_to_partner/
17 things white people need to know about #YesAllBlackPeople
BY DERRICK CLIFTON
White people often say the darndest things when confronted with racism.
It seems as if blacks and people of color cant call out large-scale trends in overt and subtle racist behavior without being told by whites to stop talking about racial privilege in terms of white people, white skin, cultural appropriation, microaggressions and how clueless white people can sometimes behave when confronted about it.
But here we are still having a conversation about how to discuss racism. Thats because most of usmainly most white folkshave demonstrated that we simply do not know how or just arent willing to discuss racism, in countless tweets and online comments. Instead of white people being accountable for how they perpetuate racism and white privilege, blacks and people of color are often told to speak in terms of not all white people have racist behaviors and that not all black people experience racism.
And now for some reality: Yes, all black people experience racism. Thats in subtle and overt ways and regardless of whether they openly discuss it or not. And its about time that white people, on the whole, get over themselves and their feelings and truly begin heeding the lived experiences of black folks.
So, allow me to break it down for you, white people. This isnt about you, in terms of your identity. Its about what you need to begin doing to become actively anti-whiteness, which is about a system.
First and foremost, racism historically and continually uses whiteness and proximity to whiteness as a means to control resources and access to institutional and social power in American society, often at the expense of blacks and people of color. Even when whiteness intersects with other marginalized social categories such as class, sexuality, gender, ability, and nationality, white identity and perceived whiteness (via whiter-looking skin) often affords an individual a better chance of moving through life much easier than their counterparts.
Racism, at its very root, is a system of supremacywhite supremacy.
http://www.dailydot.com/via/17-things-yes-all-black-people/
BY DERRICK CLIFTON
White people often say the darndest things when confronted with racism.
It seems as if blacks and people of color cant call out large-scale trends in overt and subtle racist behavior without being told by whites to stop talking about racial privilege in terms of white people, white skin, cultural appropriation, microaggressions and how clueless white people can sometimes behave when confronted about it.
But here we are still having a conversation about how to discuss racism. Thats because most of usmainly most white folkshave demonstrated that we simply do not know how or just arent willing to discuss racism, in countless tweets and online comments. Instead of white people being accountable for how they perpetuate racism and white privilege, blacks and people of color are often told to speak in terms of not all white people have racist behaviors and that not all black people experience racism.
And now for some reality: Yes, all black people experience racism. Thats in subtle and overt ways and regardless of whether they openly discuss it or not. And its about time that white people, on the whole, get over themselves and their feelings and truly begin heeding the lived experiences of black folks.
So, allow me to break it down for you, white people. This isnt about you, in terms of your identity. Its about what you need to begin doing to become actively anti-whiteness, which is about a system.
First and foremost, racism historically and continually uses whiteness and proximity to whiteness as a means to control resources and access to institutional and social power in American society, often at the expense of blacks and people of color. Even when whiteness intersects with other marginalized social categories such as class, sexuality, gender, ability, and nationality, white identity and perceived whiteness (via whiter-looking skin) often affords an individual a better chance of moving through life much easier than their counterparts.
Racism, at its very root, is a system of supremacywhite supremacy.
http://www.dailydot.com/via/17-things-yes-all-black-people/
A Letter to White People: I Know You're Not Racist, But ...
Nate Abrams
A recent article on PolicyMic in the wake of the Trayvon Martin verdict sparked my interest, not because of the contents of the article itself, but because of the comments that followed. The young white woman in the video that the article linked to claimed that middle-class whites who take up the I am Trayvon Martin rallying cry are, in fact, deluding themselves if they believe the cultural education that they have received doesn't teach fear of black people. Most of the white commenters responded angrily, denouncing the video and claiming that they were never taught to be racist. I could not adequately respond in the comments so I decided to write a letter and publish it here.
Nate Abrams
A recent article on PolicyMic in the wake of the Trayvon Martin verdict sparked my interest, not because of the contents of the article itself, but because of the comments that followed. The young white woman in the video that the article linked to claimed that middle-class whites who take up the I am Trayvon Martin rallying cry are, in fact, deluding themselves if they believe the cultural education that they have received doesn't teach fear of black people. Most of the white commenters responded angrily, denouncing the video and claiming that they were never taught to be racist. I could not adequately respond in the comments so I decided to write a letter and publish it here.
Dear White People of America,
I know you werent taught to be racists. Your parents were/are good people who worked hard and never hated anyone. You went to decent schools and have lived in diverse places. You publicly espouse tolerance for everyone. I know you werent taught to be racists. But somehow many of you have absorbed, if not racist attitudes, then certainly prejudiced ones.
https://mic.com/articles/55379/a-letter-to-white-people-i-know-you-re-not-racist-but#.w5hgY1vML
I know you werent taught to be racists. Your parents were/are good people who worked hard and never hated anyone. You went to decent schools and have lived in diverse places. You publicly espouse tolerance for everyone. I know you werent taught to be racists. But somehow many of you have absorbed, if not racist attitudes, then certainly prejudiced ones.
https://mic.com/articles/55379/a-letter-to-white-people-i-know-you-re-not-racist-but#.w5hgY1vML
18 Things White People Should Know/Do Before Discussing Racism
Discussions about racism should be all-inclusive and open to people of all skin colors. However, to put it simply, sometimes White people lack the experience or education that can provide a rudimentary foundation from which a productive conversation can be built. This is not necessarily the fault of the individual, but pervasive myths and misinformation have dominated mainstream racial discourse and often times, the important issues are never highlighted. For that reason, The Frisky has decided to publish this handy list that has some basic rules and information to better prepare anyone for a worthwhile discussion about racism.
1. It is uncomfortable to talk about racism. It is more uncomfortable to live it.
2. Colorblindness is a cop-out. The statements but I dont see color or I never care about color do not help to build a case against systemic racism. Try being the only White person in an environment. You will notice color then.
3. Oprahs success does not mean the end of racism. The singular success of a Black man or woman (i.e. Oprah, or Tiger Woods, or President Obama) is never a valid argument against the existence of racism. By this logic, the success of Frederick Douglass or Amanda America Dickson during the 19th century would be grounds for disproving slavery.
4. Reverse racism is BS, but prejudice is not. Until people of color colonize, dominate and enslave the populations of the planet in the name of superiority, create standards of beauty based on their own colored definition, enact a system where only people of color benefit on a large-scale, and finally pretend like said system no longer exists, there is no such thing as reverse racism. Prejudice is in all of us, but prejudice employed as a governing structure is something different.
http://www.thefrisky.com/2014-06-12/18-things-white-people-should-knowdo-before-discussing-racism/
Discussions about racism should be all-inclusive and open to people of all skin colors. However, to put it simply, sometimes White people lack the experience or education that can provide a rudimentary foundation from which a productive conversation can be built. This is not necessarily the fault of the individual, but pervasive myths and misinformation have dominated mainstream racial discourse and often times, the important issues are never highlighted. For that reason, The Frisky has decided to publish this handy list that has some basic rules and information to better prepare anyone for a worthwhile discussion about racism.
1. It is uncomfortable to talk about racism. It is more uncomfortable to live it.
2. Colorblindness is a cop-out. The statements but I dont see color or I never care about color do not help to build a case against systemic racism. Try being the only White person in an environment. You will notice color then.
3. Oprahs success does not mean the end of racism. The singular success of a Black man or woman (i.e. Oprah, or Tiger Woods, or President Obama) is never a valid argument against the existence of racism. By this logic, the success of Frederick Douglass or Amanda America Dickson during the 19th century would be grounds for disproving slavery.
4. Reverse racism is BS, but prejudice is not. Until people of color colonize, dominate and enslave the populations of the planet in the name of superiority, create standards of beauty based on their own colored definition, enact a system where only people of color benefit on a large-scale, and finally pretend like said system no longer exists, there is no such thing as reverse racism. Prejudice is in all of us, but prejudice employed as a governing structure is something different.
http://www.thefrisky.com/2014-06-12/18-things-white-people-should-knowdo-before-discussing-racism/
10 Things Black People Know That White People Have Not Yet Accepted
October 14, 2014 | Posted by ABS Staff
http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/10/14/10-things-black-people-know-white-people-yet-accepted/
October 14, 2014 | Posted by ABS Staff
http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/10/14/10-things-black-people-know-white-people-yet-accepted/
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Debate Flares After Black College Students Seek A Non-White Roommate [View all]
Purveyor
Aug 2016
OP
nope- little snowflakes who want their "safe space" - of course assholes come in all forms
snooper2
Aug 2016
#235
"The first time their 'privilege' is challenged and they don't know what to do"
whathehell
Aug 2016
#85
Yes, we're not talking public accommodation here, we're talking about one's home
Warpy
Aug 2016
#109
It's funny that segregation is accepted and encouraged if it's rebranded in benign way.
Oneironaut
Aug 2016
#4
Halloween costumes on the Yale campus were a personal thing too. Or at least they used to be.
MadDAsHell
Aug 2016
#102
Oh the irony, some of the very ethic group that has purposely done self-segregation . . .
brush
Aug 2016
#30
sorry, but white people are not being discriminated institutionally and denied access
JI7
Aug 2016
#36
If people are arranging their own housing, they should be able to select roommates
petronius
Aug 2016
#5
Isn't that something to work out in the interview process? You don't want a clash of personalities..
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2016
#121
All that displays is prejudice towards a group of people for a characteristic they have no control..
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2016
#143
I'm sorry, that rings false to me, I mean, yes, with effort, anyone can choose to only...
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2016
#168
I said it rang false because it is false, unless you move to a location below a certain...
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2016
#186
That's interesting. I have observed over the years at workplaces that...
Buckeye_Democrat
Aug 2016
#57
What if you did get a white male roommate and he was really hot, I mean, SMOKING
snooper2
Aug 2016
#237
If the reverse statement is unacceptable, that should be a clue that it might not be OK.
WillowTree
Aug 2016
#32
Unfortunately, some whites can't take it when they find out that they're not universally loved
MrScorpio
Aug 2016
#38
See, the thing is that I've posted a couple of articles which went into explaining white fragility
MrScorpio
Aug 2016
#49
White people are quite welcome to discuss the phenomena of white fragility, as far as I'm concerned
MrScorpio
Aug 2016
#72
I've already pointed out the relevance of white supremacy and white privilege here.
MrScorpio
Aug 2016
#82
I've posted about male privilege, feminism and abortion before, in both general and specific terms
MrScorpio
Aug 2016
#225
Yes, you certainly have...I haven't seen any of these before...Thanks for providing them.
whathehell
Aug 2016
#226
The entire concept of "safe spaces" is prima facie evidence of said fragility (nt)
LongtimeAZDem
Aug 2016
#104
Straw Man, Begging the Question, Circular Reasoning, and Loaded Question
LongtimeAZDem
Aug 2016
#165
One would think the people suffering from fragility would need the safe spaces to protect them.
NuclearDem
Aug 2016
#169
Hell, even my very white grandmother knew the source for such things was enforced ghettoization...
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2016
#119
So, what is your argument? That black people are intrinsically more violent?
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2016
#211
So what are you saying, you avoid black people due to cultural reasons?
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2016
#216
No, but you're putting me on the defense about it, while refusing to do the
whathehell
Aug 2016
#220
What needs to be said is that you're not entitled to dictate how POCs respond to you
MrScorpio
Aug 2016
#123
In the same breath, you rhapsodize about how white people can't know what it's like to be black...
Joe the Revelator
Aug 2016
#229
Again, your stance is that POC can know all there is to know about white ppl, to the point....
Joe the Revelator
Aug 2016
#248
I'm saying that, as a matter of survival, in an overtly and covertly white supremacist society...
MrScorpio
Aug 2016
#249
No, but white students are as entitled to complain about it as blacks when the situation is reversed
whathehell
Aug 2016
#243
Nice attempt to discredit the concept by using words like "trope", but it doesn't work..
whathehell
Aug 2016
#251
None of that is relevant, they are excluding people based solely on the color of their skin...
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2016
#93
I think you put far too much emphasis on these nebulous "cultures" that aren't monolithic...
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2016
#117
Racism comes in two primary forms: institutional and personally mediated.
lumberjack_jeff
Aug 2016
#142
How have you ever been harmed by a PoC in power just because you were white?
MrScorpio
Aug 2016
#246
Your careful, deliberate parsing of language to excuse discrimination by persons of color...
MadDAsHell
Aug 2016
#113
What you say is true, but it doesn't immunize them from criticisms of racism. n/t
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2016
#97
These three students are not "an institution". "POC only" seems fine in an advert.
JustABozoOnThisBus
Aug 2016
#67
What if white students put in advert they only wanted white applicants and no POC
LisaL
Aug 2016
#87
For university owned housing, you don't get to make such a request. Off campus you do.
UMTerp01
Aug 2016
#80
Interested to hear what all the people saying it's ok because it's not "institutionalized"...
MadDAsHell
Aug 2016
#106
Check out this listing of apartments in NYC looking for female roommate only
stevenleser
Aug 2016
#127
I think it depends on how far the prejudice against white people extends.
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2016
#176
True, but its been my observation that if you are racist in one area, its generally not confined...
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2016
#179
so it would be perfectly acceptable to you if someone put 'Whites Only' on the same time of request?
Amishman
Aug 2016
#158
This bigotry is to be expected with the racial demagoguery seen from extremists
Taitertots
Aug 2016
#193
You're comparing a black college student who wants a black roommate to the Klan?
MrScorpio
Aug 2016
#195
You are aware that the Klan actually lynched black people for being black, right?
MrScorpio
Aug 2016
#199
You got it. Bigots always try the hardest to create justification for their bigotry.
Taitertots
Aug 2016
#254
I'm quite sure that most people who are familiar me over these last 14 years on DU
MrScorpio
Aug 2016
#259