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Egnever

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48. Again not an argument of it's ills
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 03:52 PM
Aug 2016

Trade unions oppose lots of things just because a trade union is against it does not mean it is necessarily bad.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/03/20/why-are-unions-so-focused-on-fighting-trade-deals/

Half of all U.S. workers represented by unions work for governments, and another 12% are in education or health care. Trade has very little direct impact on them. Another 20% of workers represented by unions are in construction, wholesaling, retailing or transportation doing jobs that are largely immune from import competition. Less than 10% of all the workers that U.S. unions represent today are in manufacturing or agriculture, the industries most exposed to harm from globalization. Trade creates winners and losers; a small fraction of union workers are among the obvious losers.

So with states passing right-to-work laws, Congress pressuring the National Labor Relations Board, the tax code rewarding big corporations that move overseas, funding for education, training and infrastructure under pressure middle-income wages stagnating across the whole economy, why so much union energy devoted to fighting TPP?


At this point union workers are mostly immune to trade agreements as most manufacturing already shed the unions years ago. Blame that on right to work states and republican propaganda against the unions. Bottom line though is the vast majority of union members will be almost entirely unaffected by the TPP when it comes to job impacts which by the way from almost all models run on the TPP impacts have been negligible.

If the models are to be believed the impact of TPP on jobs overall should be small gains mostly from an increase in trade world wide or worst case small losses. With that however you get much better environmental and labor standards along with mechanisms to resolve disputes in countries where the court systems are less honorable than supposedly ours are.

I am all for unions and think they need to become much more prevalent than they are today that does not mean i think they are infallible or that their desires necessarily reflect what is best for the country.

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is bernie waking up from his post-convention sleep? nt msongs Aug 2016 #1
Well, TPP's rise from the near-dead could be considered a rude awakening. nt villager Aug 2016 #2
No. He is obviously reacting to Presidents push to have the dems sign the TPP CentralMass Aug 2016 #3
Thank you, Senator Sanders! ananda Aug 2016 #4
+1000 FreakinDJ Aug 2016 #26
Why the hell is Obama bringing this up again? My guess is he knows the Republicans will doc03 Aug 2016 #5
You're saying his actual reason for bringing up a policy he clearly advocates... villager Aug 2016 #6
I don't get it with Trump against TPP and Sanders, Clinton, Warren and doc03 Aug 2016 #7
Because he thinks it is the right thing to do? Egnever Aug 2016 #13
You haven't noticed we have lost all our good paying manufacturing jobs? nt doc03 Aug 2016 #15
What does that have to do with the Tpp? Egnever Aug 2016 #36
From what the opponents to TPP say TPP is NAFTA on steroids that's what. Everyone made doc03 Aug 2016 #42
From what the opponents say... Egnever Aug 2016 #46
Let me see a list of labor unions that back TPP n/t doc03 Aug 2016 #47
Again not an argument of it's ills Egnever Aug 2016 #48
Can't beleive you missed the 100s of threads here at DU illustrating all thats wrong FreakinDJ Aug 2016 #27
Oh I have seen hundreds of posts decrying how evil it is Egnever Aug 2016 #35
He wouldn't push it unless he thought that he could get it through. amandabeech Aug 2016 #19
Ahem grubbs Aug 2016 #31
Ahem. The big companies will sue the small companies and state and local amandabeech Aug 2016 #33
Aaand not a word of that true.. Egnever Aug 2016 #40
more ahem Egnever Aug 2016 #38
Aaand since I am aheming Here's more of it. Egnever Aug 2016 #39
Obama will clear the deck for Clinton in the lame duck. TPP will pass and Garland will be confirmed. tritsofme Aug 2016 #8
Then the Democrats will have to wear TPP around their neck just like NAFTA. doc03 Aug 2016 #9
Just like they have to wear the ACA Egnever Aug 2016 #10
More like their Iraq war votes. nt villager Aug 2016 #12
And the problems in Libya and Syria. amandabeech Aug 2016 #20
Hey, when disasters are *this* profitable... villager Aug 2016 #22
We're not much better than our enemies with this surveillance. amandabeech Aug 2016 #23
But... we're "free!" villager Aug 2016 #24
If they say so. amandabeech Aug 2016 #25
Obama negotiated the agreement...Why would he want to kick the can down the road? tritsofme Aug 2016 #11
if Dems wanted to win , they'd vote this down BEFORE the election yurbud Aug 2016 #14
The 2 most important priorities are (1)winning this election, & (2) defeating TPP. Faryn Balyncd Aug 2016 #43
When DLCers lose, they blame progressives but ignore the gun in their own hand and the holes in yurbud Aug 2016 #44
"Guns don't kill our election chances -- those pesky liberals do!" nt villager Aug 2016 #45
k&r nationalize the fed Aug 2016 #16
We're having problems with China and their navy in the South China Sea. amandabeech Aug 2016 #21
China won't go to war because they can't afford it FreakinDJ Aug 2016 #28
They take the long, long, long view. amandabeech Aug 2016 #29
Once again proving he's still got our backs. Thank you Sen. Sanders. Doremus Aug 2016 #17
Exactly. On both counts. nt villager Aug 2016 #18
Yup. K&R nt riderinthestorm Aug 2016 #32
Rolling my eyes...LITERALLY!!!! UMTerp01 Aug 2016 #30
Yea, but all those that wish for the monstrosity are only seeing is rolls of cash nolabels Aug 2016 #41
DFA PETITION to Hillary Clinton: Ask White House to oppose Lame Duck TPP Vote Faryn Balyncd Aug 2016 #34
He's not alone. John Conyers wrote a very strong piece about his opposition to an LD vote cali Aug 2016 #37
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