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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. You'll be happy to know we all get your message
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 04:18 PM
Aug 2016

very clearly, Cali: The over 90% of those who switched to Hillary happily after having consistently backed Sanders in the primary are unhappy with her. Not hardly. It's the less than 10% who have a problem with...well, everything.

Another peculiar misconception you should not be trying to spread is that Hillary has unequivocally said she will not join Canada and Australia and the other 9 nations expected to ratify the TPP. She said, "My message to every worker in Michigan and across America is this. I will stop any trade deal that kills jobs or holds down wages, including the Trans-Pacific Partnership." Please re-read. That's a conditional statement.

Unfortunately, people who are against all trade agreements are under the misconception that that is a sophisticated position and are typically misinformed about their many important benefits, including among other things avoiding wars, and we know how terribly important that is to the peace-loving <10%. Way after the wages and jobs issues the populist resentment's not unreasably focused on. But no real wages and jobs problem, there should be no resentment. Right?

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progressives? stonecutter357 Aug 2016 #1
No. Like virtually every Congressional liberal. cali Aug 2016 #2
... here. Yep. demmiblue Aug 2016 #10
You'll be happy to know we all get your message Hortensis Aug 2016 #24
Highly concerned Cary Aug 2016 #3
I believe Clinton now has herself in a position... NCTraveler Aug 2016 #4
Right. I'd like to see a list of what she thinks should be changed. cali Aug 2016 #5
I think Ryan and McConnell are doing it in hopes of a Republican President. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #8
I predict if it sails through without major changes in several chapters, including I/P cali Aug 2016 #11
I would prefer the TPP to happen, however it is VITAL that Hillary follows through with what she has OnDoutside Aug 2016 #6
A Typical Washington Post Article trying to imply negative dispersions on Hillary, by a still_one Aug 2016 #7
Yes, it's totally irrational to believe that Clinton would flip flop on TPP Angel Martin Aug 2016 #9
What is irrational is the assumption that despite what she has repeatedly been saying for months is still_one Aug 2016 #20
I'm curious... what kind of trade deals do these "progressives" support? Adrahil Aug 2016 #12
Progressives aren't against fair trade deals. The TPP is not a fair trade deal. It's corporate laws think Aug 2016 #15
I'm not arguing about that. Adrahil Aug 2016 #17
I suspect they would support a trade deal like FDR/Truman's International Trade Organization. pampango Aug 2016 #16
I'd support that.... Adrahil Aug 2016 #18
Times have changed. If Obama dusted off the old FDR/Truman ITO agreement, word-for-word, it would pampango Aug 2016 #19
Her specific objections to TPP aren't clear. All politicians maintain a lot of degrees of freedom HereSince1628 Aug 2016 #13
What is the tough spot that you are talking about? She has come out against it. Squinch Aug 2016 #14
It is damn if you do and damn if you don't. If Hillary said day, her critics would say she meant still_one Aug 2016 #21
I wish I could upvote this post. KitSileya Aug 2016 #22
It is all that and something else too. I'm floored by the keyboard Squinch Aug 2016 #23
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