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In reply to the discussion: Sanders revs up ‘public option’ fight after Aetna leaves ObamaCare [View all]cali
(114,904 posts)30. Please stop accusing people of hating. As MY idol said in Two Cheers for Democracy:
Democracy has another merit. It allows criticism, and if there
is not public criticism there are bound to be hushed-up scandals.
That is why I believe in the press, despite all its lies and vulgarity...
http://spichtinger.net/otexts/believe.html
OK. So he said it in 1938. It's still true even if the press is far worse now. And reasonable criticism of HRC shouldn't be shouted down. Attempts to shut people up by calling them haters is a tactic to shut people up.
It should be enough that those of us who opposed HRC for the Presidency- going back years- are voting for her in November, and are willing to work toward that end. That doesn't mean that my doubts and the doubts of others, are magically erased.
I know you don't want to face it, and want to call it all republican smears, but whatever the genesis, Hillary Clinton has a trust problem- AMONG DEMOCRATS- as well as among Republicans and Independence.
I want HRC to beat the tar out of DJT. I want her to succeed in the Presidency. And when she is elected, it is incumbent on her to win trust. That it's down to her is the bottom line.
I don't look for things to criticize HRC for. The primaries are over. To the contrary, I actively look for things that will increase my confidence in her stated priorities: I am really pleased that she's named Heather Boushey as the top economic advisor on her transition team, for example.
But I believe in criticism in the same way Forster did: It's an essential, critical piece of a functioning democracy. I realize that DU is a private site, but shouldn't it reflect and respect democratic traditions?
I say all this respectfully. And probably with too much hope. I get why passionate HRC supporters who have supported her for President for a long time, are defensive. I understand you think doubts about her are unjustified, that no criticism is best. And I don't think sniping at her about her commitment to this or that plank of her platform, is particularly "good" criticism, in that it doesn't offer any positive changes, but I do hope her most dedicated supporters can manage to deal with such mild criticism.
Democracy and criticism should continue to be closely linked. Lose the latter and you lose the former. I value DU because it's never been merely a "hive mind". I imagine you do too.
is not public criticism there are bound to be hushed-up scandals.
That is why I believe in the press, despite all its lies and vulgarity...
http://spichtinger.net/otexts/believe.html
OK. So he said it in 1938. It's still true even if the press is far worse now. And reasonable criticism of HRC shouldn't be shouted down. Attempts to shut people up by calling them haters is a tactic to shut people up.
It should be enough that those of us who opposed HRC for the Presidency- going back years- are voting for her in November, and are willing to work toward that end. That doesn't mean that my doubts and the doubts of others, are magically erased.
I know you don't want to face it, and want to call it all republican smears, but whatever the genesis, Hillary Clinton has a trust problem- AMONG DEMOCRATS- as well as among Republicans and Independence.
I want HRC to beat the tar out of DJT. I want her to succeed in the Presidency. And when she is elected, it is incumbent on her to win trust. That it's down to her is the bottom line.
I don't look for things to criticize HRC for. The primaries are over. To the contrary, I actively look for things that will increase my confidence in her stated priorities: I am really pleased that she's named Heather Boushey as the top economic advisor on her transition team, for example.
But I believe in criticism in the same way Forster did: It's an essential, critical piece of a functioning democracy. I realize that DU is a private site, but shouldn't it reflect and respect democratic traditions?
I say all this respectfully. And probably with too much hope. I get why passionate HRC supporters who have supported her for President for a long time, are defensive. I understand you think doubts about her are unjustified, that no criticism is best. And I don't think sniping at her about her commitment to this or that plank of her platform, is particularly "good" criticism, in that it doesn't offer any positive changes, but I do hope her most dedicated supporters can manage to deal with such mild criticism.
Democracy and criticism should continue to be closely linked. Lose the latter and you lose the former. I value DU because it's never been merely a "hive mind". I imagine you do too.
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Sanders revs up ‘public option’ fight after Aetna leaves ObamaCare [View all]
grahamhgreen
Aug 2016
OP
I was unaware the law allowed insurers to withdraw from obamacare. Seems like a fatal flaw.
grahamhgreen
Aug 2016
#2
But it seems you can force consumers to pay big mark-ups for health financing
HereSince1628
Aug 2016
#40
They don't even exist unless we allow it. We can force them to do what we will.
grahamhgreen
Aug 2016
#53
Read their announcement and the law. They are not "withdrawing from the ACA".
George II
Aug 2016
#37
I suspect most of this problem is due to states that were against the expanded Medicaid, and never
still_one
Aug 2016
#49
A public option is more likely to occur before single payer, unless the political landscape changes
still_one
Aug 2016
#60
All I am doing is trying to point out the differences between the public option verses
still_one
Aug 2016
#68
you are right, unfortunately on both points. Still it is important they hear our feedback
still_one
Aug 2016
#70
She has said she would. Hillary Clinton is one of America's most honest politicians.
SunSeeker
Aug 2016
#11
I agree that Politifact leans conservative. All the more reason that chart is impressive. nt
SunSeeker
Aug 2016
#50
Maybe she was not your favorite candidate, but if you're a Democrat she now IS your candidate.
George II
Aug 2016
#39
Please stop accusing people of hating. As MY idol said in Two Cheers for Democracy:
cali
Aug 2016
#30
Yes. And that bill is just one example of her advocacy over the last 25+ years.
George II
Aug 2016
#41
Good news! Can she provide a waiver as President, or is it given by some other entity?
grahamhgreen
Aug 2016
#19
Section 1332 would be negotiated by HHS, but ultimately the President signs off on it
ConservativeDemocrat
Aug 2016
#21
Yup. The ACA gave the insurers a chance to show they could manage this. If they can't,
pnwmom
Aug 2016
#26
Go Bernie! These billion dollar corporations don't give a shit about us or health.
Initech
Aug 2016
#65