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195. Nope. What I'm saying is that just because HE is not offended doesn't mean that every black person

Wed Aug 17, 2016, 02:47 PM

Aug 2016

should also not be offended.

The suggestion that we all should get over it because HE wasn't offended is, in itself, the very definition of paternalism.

Telling black people not to be offended by what they see is a racially insensitive imagery is not only insulting but reeks of white privilege and paternalism. People of color here on DU are consistently subjected to this behavior by non-people of color here: telling us when and when not to be offended; ridiculing people of color for who they supported in the primaries; telling people of color that policy brutality and psychological racism that feeds into it doesn't exist.

That is insulting. That is paternalism.

Bolt has a right not to be offended. Others have a right to be offended.

You don't like that people are offended. That's tough. This is still a free country.

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Ellen DeGeneres defends her Usain Bolt tweet some claimed was racist [View all] ericson00 Aug 2016 OP

I can see why some would. Everyone needs to think before tweet. yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #1

this smacks of homophobes waiting for even the smallest thing to tear Ellen down Takket Aug 2016 #2

Freepers trolling twitter They are very big on trolling twitter now and they hate Ellen bigly Monk06 Aug 2016 #360

Riding the back of a black man? HipChick Aug 2016 #3

No. On the back of the world's fastest man, panader0 Aug 2016 #15

You must be white.. HipChick Aug 2016 #19

Black people are strong Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #52

Black people are strong. And we are human beings with real feelings. When people offend women or Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #147

Excellent response zz-la Aug 2016 #286

+1,000 malaise Aug 2016 #300

+1000 n/t geardaddy Aug 2016 #332

bingo! ericson00 Aug 2016 #26

Some people can find outrage everywhere. panader0 Aug 2016 #28

Yeah shenmue Aug 2016 #86

I saw a meme of three things to bring being stuck on a desert island Thor_MN Aug 2016 #305

I married a black man and he carried me, a white woman, across the threshold. Boudica the Lyoness Aug 2016 #357

Unlike whatever Trump is talking about, THIS is PC culture run amok. MadBadger Aug 2016 #4

And this racist bullshit needs to end, whether you think it is or not! Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #207

You'd be right, if it was actually racist. 7962 Aug 2016 #255

It's not MadBadger Aug 2016 #280

This isn't "PC Culture" Bucky Aug 2016 #361

I admit I see this through the eyes of a white woman REP Aug 2016 #5

REP, that is how ChazII Aug 2016 #72

Now that I've read some of the other comments REP Aug 2016 #142

those who claim this is racist... quickesst Aug 2016 #6

McCarthyism on the right, about their boogeyman Communism, was bad; ericson00 Aug 2016 #27

Kinda like those who dismiss the fact that there's a recent history of seeing blacks as animals for uponit7771 Aug 2016 #97

They don't care. Racism means nothing to these people Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #127

these people AlbertCat Aug 2016 #137

Touche! Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #143

Recent? I guess it depends on your use of the word. I don't imagine however that one would jonno99 Aug 2016 #136

Really... Civil war?!?! You know slavery is still legal this day right? uponit7771 Aug 2016 #190

Here is the thing... quickesst Aug 2016 #178

Irrelevant to the point... Rage meter .5... To Early meter at 8.5. uponit7771 Aug 2016 #192

#### quickesst Aug 2016 #242

Thing is, many here see racism behind every blade of grass. 7962 Aug 2016 #253

Exactly quickesst Aug 2016 #268

While other readily dismiss the obvious regardless of intentions uponit7771 Aug 2016 #291

It doesn't matter whether she meant to offend zz-la Aug 2016 #287

Hello quickesst Aug 2016 #288

Usain Bolt did not grow up in this country zz-la Aug 2016 #289

Okay... quickesst Aug 2016 #303

Bingo. geardaddy Aug 2016 #335

Of course many white people pretend not to Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #7

jeez Skittles Aug 2016 #9

You said it, not me. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #70

that says all I need to know about your reading comprehension skills Skittles Aug 2016 #264

Is there a history of white women riding on the backs of TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2016 #10

Actually, yeah loyalsister Aug 2016 #17

Somewhat hard to believe TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2016 #20

How exactly is it different? loyalsister Aug 2016 #21

If Bolt thought it was racist, he wouldn't have retweeted it. TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2016 #25

it almost reminds me of the saying ericson00 Aug 2016 #29

Recalling the imagry loyalsister Aug 2016 #30

Here's the thing melman Aug 2016 #32

Visual imagery conveys much more than the obvious loyalsister Aug 2016 #38

What about the man in the image melman Aug 2016 #44

He is free to think whatever he wants about it personally loyalsister Aug 2016 #45

Black people can never be equal if you take that treestar Aug 2016 #83

celebrating the good ole days translates into celebrating this man's success? loyalsister Aug 2016 #133

Nooses would be a lot worse than this treestar Aug 2016 #140

"When are black people going to be able to enjoy equality"?? loyalsister Aug 2016 #146

I don't disagree and don't get why you are treestar Aug 2016 #238

O.K., sure. But the point is to change people's internalized racism and get them to see us as human. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #153

Of course he is treestar Aug 2016 #239

There's no VISUAL picture. It's a mental image that conjures up very painful issues for black people Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #151

There are numerous images that comes to mind TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2016 #34

Looking for offense? loyalsister Aug 2016 #40

Like defending the confederate flag? TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2016 #41

Everyone internalizes bigotry, even those who are affected by it. I'm a woman, too. I'm sure that I Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #149

Instead of the very smart-ass comments in this thread, please learn about history and understand Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #148

Was "friend's FB post" really the best source you could come up with? BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #74

Since this came from someone who is opposed to racism it lacks credibility? loyalsister Aug 2016 #134

Yeah, no. Not agreeing with you doesn't mean I'm defending anything. BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #150

Binary? loyalsister Aug 2016 #166

If you can't tell the difference between two things that are different... BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #170

If someone refuses to acknowledge that the pain real people feel loyalsister Aug 2016 #184

It's obvious that you're using other people's pain for your own argumentative gain. BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #251

No, its worse... a RECENT history of whites seeing blacks as animals for work no? tia uponit7771 Aug 2016 #95

Here... Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #159

The man that's actually in the photo isn't bothered by it melman Aug 2016 #39

"stereotypes about how blacks are superhuman animals who "can run fast"." anoNY42 Aug 2016 #66

Well that dude actually can run really fast. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #68

Oh please.... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #82

Oh please. She's a comedian. It was a joke. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #108

And many more didn't. PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #111

At DU. Not surprising at all. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #125

Yup, it's a Mecca for racists... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #135

Yes, it is. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #144

To be clear, you are going on record as saying that DU is full of racists. PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #182

To be fair, in 2016 all one need to do to be called a racist Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #234

Yep, the sad thing is that the word 'racist' is losing any meaning... jack_krass Aug 2016 #285

Nobody said anything about animals except you and celebrating accomplishments is just that -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #126

Riigghtt! Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #128

Which part do you disagree with? The part where you're the only one using the word "animal" or Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #130

I think most white people need to read and understand the history of how black Americans Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #145

Is there anything white people can say that isn't, at the very least, unintentionally racist? The2ndWheel Aug 2016 #154

I discussed the impact of unconcious/internalized racism throughout this thread. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #160

I don't deny racists have compared blacks to animals. What I do reject is anything close to that Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #157

Again, unconcious or psychological racism is exhibited WITHOUT the person knowing it... Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #161

How can someone be guilty of something that Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #171

When we make sexist comments about women and those comments are unintentonal and not meant Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #177

"The goal here is to learn WHY these things exist and still do impact us in adverse ways." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #210

Think of the arrogance in certain lines of thinking. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #198

Well, hopefully a white man will win the next Olympics TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2016 #243

Paula Dean... tonedevil Aug 2016 #245

Tonedeveil, do you not know sarcasm? TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2016 #247

Sarcasm... tonedevil Aug 2016 #249

you know that Usain Bolt is LITERALLY the fast human on the planet, right? Takket Aug 2016 #269

Just because Ellen's intentions weren't racist doesn't mean it wasn't offensive UMTerp01 Aug 2016 #8

Why was it offensive? TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2016 #11

A response to your second question.....Answer: Yes. Euphoria Aug 2016 #31

Know what's offensive? Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #23

Thank you!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #71

I find that offensive. PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #112

Actually, I think I offended myself a little. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #124

Yup La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2016 #77

Thank you... Chitown Kev Aug 2016 #281

Regardless of her intentions, it's obviously racist Matrosov Aug 2016 #12

Exactly. mwrguy Aug 2016 #14

How can it be racism without intent? jcgoldie Aug 2016 #16

Casual racism is real loyalsister Aug 2016 #18

Was Bolt offended? Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #53

Psychological racism is STILL racism! Even without intent, when you treat someone differently Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #155

But thats not what happened jcgoldie Aug 2016 #279

You forgot the Irish cabot Aug 2016 #37

All passengers on a boat from Ireland were eliminated after their work... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #42

Humor is not allowed. We must not offend anybody, no matter how over-sensitive. Oneironaut Aug 2016 #13

Or even confront white priviege that doesn't have to acknowledge that there are STILL enough people uponit7771 Aug 2016 #100

Do you really believe that Ellen sees black people as animals? Oneironaut Aug 2016 #138

No! Not on a CONSCIOUS level. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #158

I feel like context is being totally ignored. Oneironaut Aug 2016 #164

On a conscious level, this was a joke that was not intended to be racist at all. I don't think Ellen Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #169

That's not white peoples problem then... TCJ70 Aug 2016 #265

No...not at all ..we know Ellen. She good people...and even good people can be insensitive ... uponit7771 Aug 2016 #205

Ridiculous oswaldactedalone Aug 2016 #22

I think the racism is in people who find this racist. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #24

Agree! Some people never let faux outrage go to waste cabot Aug 2016 #36

Or to some people who refuse to even acknowledge why it could be seen as racist? tia uponit7771 Aug 2016 #76

+1 Marr Aug 2016 #313

Considering Usain Bolt retweeted Ellen cabot Aug 2016 #33

well said...it could be GOP trolls trying to push this story ericson00 Aug 2016 #65

Bolt is an African American?! no... he's not, he's from another country with another history in... uponit7771 Aug 2016 #103

then by your logic cabot Aug 2016 #139

The British colonized Jamaica and enslaved them for a time. I'm sure they experience it all the same Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #163

how paternalistic of you cabot Aug 2016 #187

Nope. What I'm saying is that just because HE is not offended doesn't mean that every black person Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #195

Nom.. paternalistic is saying get over it... Look, she good people...we know that..just a lil uponit7771 Aug 2016 #201

False dichotomy, she lives in the US... You know that... uponit7771 Aug 2016 #197

typical American cabot Aug 2016 #202

No shit right? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #114

It's very racist. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #35

Well, now you know better. grossproffit Aug 2016 #47

Wait.... so she threw a hissy fit about the flag of England because Crusaders flew it Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #48

Yeah. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #50

It's interesting how the events prior to 1095 are ignored. Marengo Aug 2016 #237

Unfortunately... quickesst Aug 2016 #43

the tyranny of being famous...anything you say or do is put under a microscope dembotoz Aug 2016 #46

It would have worked just the same with a white athlete. Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #49

It would have been interesting to see reactions if she had been on the back of Michael Phelps spooky3 Aug 2016 #54

Is there a RECENT history of seeing white men as a whole as animals to be used for work? tia uponit7771 Aug 2016 #94

Did Southern white women typically ride on the backs of their slaves, Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #110

Here... Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #167

I'm sorry, but the photo of a child on a woman's back spooky3 Aug 2016 #278

A child on a person's back is racist? You can see that today! Democat Aug 2016 #336

OK, I appreciate your efforts to educate. Ligyron Aug 2016 #340

Exactly! The fact that we now can't do anything funny involving black people is racist in itself. Respectful Debate Aug 2016 #366

Ellen is not racist, the tweet wasn't racist. Bolt didn't think so. Liberal_in_LA Aug 2016 #51

Bolt does not represent all black people HipChick Aug 2016 #56

that is true Liberal_in_LA Aug 2016 #57

Really? melman Aug 2016 #58

OH SNAP Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #60

He does represent the man in the picture Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #59

If they are black and have experienced racism HipChick Aug 2016 #63

the tweet featured Usain Bolt. cabot Aug 2016 #189

A white person can very well experience racism. 7962 Aug 2016 #271

Yet the picture of him does? SQUEE Aug 2016 #168

Bolt is an African American?! no... he's not, he's from another country with another history in... uponit7771 Aug 2016 #93

Actually he is as Jamaica is part of the Americas mythology Aug 2016 #131

Did it upset Bolt? Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #55

I'm sure there are those who would call him an "Uncle Tom" or worse, Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #61

Bolt is a strong black man Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #62

Even if he laughed it off in public... scscholar Aug 2016 #152

Is bolt an African American? tia uponit7771 Aug 2016 #91

Apparently not, which prompts me to ask -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #129

He re-tweeted it himself. he's been on her show as well. Non-issue 7962 Aug 2016 #270

This made me look for the picture... Mike Nelson Aug 2016 #64

Bolt has already appeared on her show TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2016 #246

Some people just need any excuse to be offended. Odin2005 Aug 2016 #67

Bingo! +1 B Calm Aug 2016 #75

... and some take too many opportunities to be dismissive. uponit7771 Aug 2016 #78

And some people need to quit making assumptions about what people mean. Odin2005 Aug 2016 #241

Would the joke have worked just as well and the same if he was a white runner? Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #69

My girlfriend sent me a captioned picture of Michael Phelps swimming krispos42 Aug 2016 #73

Is there a history of seeing white men as a whole as animals to be used for work? tia uponit7771 Aug 2016 #79

His accomplishments as an individual should be elevated above his race krispos42 Aug 2016 #87

" that's different because of the history involved.".. so there's NO history of blacks being seen... uponit7771 Aug 2016 #89

You're changing the character of Ms. DeGeneres' comment. She made absolutely no reference to Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #132

She didn't have to spell it out... come on.... There's a history to the image why uponit7771 Aug 2016 #208

Why are you being so down on the LGBT community? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #211

Whatever... I'm talking about a person who tweeted something that could be offensive to uponit7771 Aug 2016 #217

And you're pretending the history of keeping the LGBT community down doesn't exist. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #220

K, now you're Making shit up... What in.my post intimated such? tia uponit7771 Aug 2016 #223

I'm not making up history of the repression endured by the LGBT community. It's history. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #224

"She didn't have to spell it out... come on" Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #228

Is there a history of seeing black men Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #96

Your answer indicates the apathy in this thread, yes... there's a recent history of black people... uponit7771 Aug 2016 #98

It's not apathy. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #107

OK.... your saying there's no recent history... There is ...and Ferguson isn't a lone wolf city uponit7771 Aug 2016 #209

Those problems need fixed. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #261

Yes. If it had been a white guy, that would have been funny treestar Aug 2016 #80

Shouldn't the original picture be racist? The2ndWheel Aug 2016 #81

Exactly, taking that attitude means black people will forever be victimized treestar Aug 2016 #84

Smiling = shining !?!? really?! Kinda stretch there no? tia uponit7771 Aug 2016 #92

"Kinda stretch there" yep, and not much more of one than calling Ellen's pic racist jack_krass Aug 2016 #284

Today's lesson in Idiocracy. GeorgeGist Aug 2016 #85

Unintentionally racist is still racist. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2016 #88

+1, a lot of responses in this thread intimate there is no RECENT past of seeing blacks as animals. uponit7771 Aug 2016 #90

Horseshit Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #99

Bolt is an African American?! no... he's not, he's from another country uponit7771 Aug 2016 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author Act_of_Reparation Aug 2016 #120

I misread your post. Deleted my reply. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2016 #121

Usain Bolt's opinion isn't the only one that matters. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2016 #116

Should white people even acknowledge that Bolt is fast? The2ndWheel Aug 2016 #101

With a tinge of ignoring racist history behind it? hell naw... uponit7771 Aug 2016 #105

Can white people say anything about black people, on any topic The2ndWheel Aug 2016 #118

Yes, saying black guys are good athletes is sort of racist thing. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2016 #119

"Taking offense" has become a popular hobby. /nt Marr Aug 2016 #102

So is being overtly dismissive of Americas recent history of seeing blacks as animals no? tia uponit7771 Aug 2016 #104

Congratulations. Marr Aug 2016 #173

Really?!?? You think a simple question you are dodging did all that? uponit7771 Aug 2016 #194

Again, good luck in your righteous crusade against um... whatever. Marr Aug 2016 #312

Would it be ok if Trump posted a pic like that? tia, I'm here to learn also. Regards uponit7771 Aug 2016 #324

As has ever-ending poutrage... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #113

This is just so pathetic. It would be ridiculous if sammythecat Aug 2016 #156

Here's why people are saying the tweet has racial undertones. Lancero Aug 2016 #109

If Usain Bolt lived in America or was visiting and driving happydaze Aug 2016 #115

Blacks all over the world are subjected to mistreatment regardless of their accomplishments or their Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #183

Yes, of course, there are assholes and bigots everywhere. happydaze Aug 2016 #221

All of these points are valid but do not address my point. In the end, I hope we all try to open Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #229

I do understand racism is systemic and that it happydaze Aug 2016 #244

I'm black, I thought it was a funny joke. vdogg Aug 2016 #117

Looking for racism online is like mining for bitcoins Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #123

No. Just because some black folk are not offended doesn't negate others' feelings. Sorry. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #175

I would put the ratio of vocal offended white people to vocal offended black people Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #180

How do you know? People who aren't black are in no position to tell black people how and when to be Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #185

I'll wager on this very issue there are THOUSANDS of white people telling everyone how to feel. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #186

Let me ask you this: Someone posts an implicitly homophobic image. You're upset. Straight people Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #188

I stopped reading your hypothetical at 'implicitly homophobic' Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #191

According to you of course. And perhaps according to Bolt. According to many others, it IS Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #196

I thought you blocked me. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #203

Wow...is this on purpose?!?!?! uponit7771 Aug 2016 #219

yes cabot Aug 2016 #200

Wow...in what world have you taken that poll?!?! tia uponit7771 Aug 2016 #214

I believe her. LWolf Aug 2016 #122

Have the NAACP, Black Lives Matter, and several leading US politicians condemned this tweet yet? Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #141

Even if they don't, that doesn't detract from how people viewed it. Those organizations don't speak Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #176

It's white people trying to show other white people how outraged they can be. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #181

White people trying to tell black people how to think, how to feel, what to be offended about and Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #206

"White people telling black people what to be offended about". Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #222

So... Who deemed them the standard of what's racist or not? tia uponit7771 Aug 2016 #213

She crossed the WGA picket line. And she's worth 10's of millions of $. closeupready Aug 2016 #162

+1 for every one of Liberal Stalwart71 posts here. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #165

-1 for every post expressing finger-wagging poutrage here. Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #172

I see zero "poutrage" in their posts. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #174

I see folks with nothing better to do. 7962 Aug 2016 #272

Finger wagging?!? You know we love yaw like play cousins. uponit7771 Aug 2016 #218

Usain Bolt isn't her thoroughbred MrScorpio Aug 2016 #179

he didn't give a shit cabot Aug 2016 #193

Bolt is a kind and decent man MrScorpio Aug 2016 #199

he wasn't abused. cabot Aug 2016 #204

You know, I think that I've lived long enough as a black person in America... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #212

then please call Mr. Bolt cabot Aug 2016 #226

Black people are offended... MrScorpio Aug 2016 #235

You don't get to decide for him that he's a victim melman Aug 2016 #267

We do get to decide what IS and what isn't a racist trope. MrScorpio Aug 2016 #275

Thanks for clarifying. The ingenious photoshopping had me completely fooled (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #225

any time. (nt) cabot Aug 2016 #233

Interesting question what if it were real treestar Aug 2016 #240

Irrelevant ... People being dismissiveness of how it could be ... uponit7771 Aug 2016 #216

his opinion is irrelevant? cabot Aug 2016 #227

And there you have it: when there's an outrage to be had Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #231

oy cabot Aug 2016 #232

No, whether the non African American liked it or not is irrelevant in this case. He doesn't live my uponit7771 Aug 2016 #296

Right !!! The amount of dismissiveness in this thread is gob smackimg uponit7771 Aug 2016 #215

But not the least bit surprising when you think about all that has occurred in the last few years. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #230

White people have been riding on our backs from the dawn of the Atlantic Slave trade malaise Aug 2016 #236

Perpetually offended folks are really getting ridiculous 7962 Aug 2016 #248

But that just makes him an "Uncle Tom" Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #250

I like the cut 'o your jib, Nye. 7962 Aug 2016 #254

WTF?! You do understand all black people in the North America are NOT African Americans right?! WTF, uponit7771 Aug 2016 #297

I hope she ends up apologizing Enrique Aug 2016 #252

I hope she gives it the conditional, placating apology it deserves. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #256

"I apologize to anyone who feels that they need an apology" also works (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #257

You sound like an imbecile bellicosecello Aug 2016 #258

Whatever that means. nt Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #259

As would any... tonedevil Aug 2016 #260

Yep, me and Ellen DeGeneres Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #263

Of COURSE she'll apologize. She shouldnt but she will 7962 Aug 2016 #273

There's no history in the imagery? or are you going be the 12th person who doesnt answer this simple uponit7771 Aug 2016 #295

More than 12 think its silly. And 150 yrs ago isnt "recent history" 7962 Aug 2016 #307

So it was only 150 yrs ago blacks were deemed and treated like animals... uponit7771 Aug 2016 #311

"deemed animals or subjugated to roles of servitude by state and federal institutions." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #318

"..All of which has nothing to do with Ellen DeGeneres.." Would you have the same attitude if Trump uponit7771 Aug 2016 #319

Ellen is not Trump. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #325

"... Ellen is not Trump..." True, but isn't that expecting people to give her the benefit of the... uponit7771 Aug 2016 #326

If you prefer to assume the worst of people then we should probably assume the worst of you. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #328

Not relative to the context right? I mean, I keep asking people if there's recent history of blacks. uponit7771 Aug 2016 #331

What are you wanting? All humanity to shed all it's sins before you stop prosecuting the innocent? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #339

No, not all all ... just the innocent claiming there's no sin at all like many have done in this... uponit7771 Aug 2016 #351

No one said racism doesn't exist. You're being dishonest. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #365

Very well stated. 7962 Aug 2016 #342

And those federal institutions also have WHITES & HISPANICS in them too! 7962 Aug 2016 #341

Do you believe there's any dis-proportionality in the way blacks are jailed? Do you believe there's uponit7771 Aug 2016 #350

certainly. And it has nothing to do with this subject. 7962 Aug 2016 #363

Nope, not racist. That's an easy one. Next. Inkfreak Aug 2016 #262

The original pic is an instant classic Mosby Aug 2016 #266

Outrage Alert! Ace Rothstein Aug 2016 #274

What a crock of shit... eom Purveyor Aug 2016 #276

Ellen should invite him to the show citood Aug 2016 #277

To tell African Americans about his non African American experience and why he would or wouldn't uponit7771 Aug 2016 #294

Or how about: TCJ70 Aug 2016 #304

That too uponit7771 Aug 2016 #310

Ummm...no citood Aug 2016 #315

Option 1 is viable and progressive, someone's feelings get hurt but their the better for it then ... uponit7771 Aug 2016 #323

Honestly, I'm flabergasted this thread has become so big citood Aug 2016 #344

Its false that its far of history, it mostly apathy that whites don't know that because they don't uponit7771 Aug 2016 #345

Answer and Questions citood Aug 2016 #359

"Some claimed was racist" oberliner Aug 2016 #282

Basically, its at least insensitive due to history in the imagery but Ellen isn't a racist uponit7771 Aug 2016 #293

I just want to know who the people were who claimed it was racist oberliner Aug 2016 #302

Ellen is not racist Chitown Kev Aug 2016 #283

+1, the most dismissive here wont answer if there's history in the imagery uponit7771 Aug 2016 #292

This is an ongoing joke... TeeYiYi Aug 2016 #290

I see the "blacks shouldn't be offended" brigade is out, People there's history with the imagery... uponit7771 Aug 2016 #298

If we subject every comment, no matter how innocently intended, to Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #317

So just do and say asshole shit and expect people to give the benefit of the doubt? tia uponit7771 Aug 2016 #320

Hitler had a dog. Escaped slaves were hunted with dogs. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #327

No, false equivalnce seeing there's no exclusive connections between dog owners then and uponit7771 Aug 2016 #329

"there's no exclusive connections between dog owners and slave owners" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #338

So it would be OK if it was tRump smiling on the back of a black man? tia uponit7771 Aug 2016 #352

I find it amusing that people assume any black person= African American Lee-Lee Aug 2016 #299

My wife occasionally teaches World Lit.... Adrahil Aug 2016 #301

That reminds me of a EO rep in the Army who couldn't stop calling Korean Soldiers Lee-Lee Aug 2016 #308

Yup.... Adrahil Aug 2016 #309

Though I made it clear throughout this thread Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #306

It's way past time to stop validating the perpetually outraged. Marr Aug 2016 #314

Would it be ok if Trump posted a pic like that? tia, I'm here to learn also uponit7771 Aug 2016 #321

Again, it's way past time to stop validating this narcissistic nonsense. Marr Aug 2016 #330

Saying this pic is a "too soon" relative to the racist environment PoC have to endure isn't nonsense uponit7771 Aug 2016 #334

I can see how some people might be offended by this picture. Captain Stern Aug 2016 #316

Would it be ok if Trump posted a pic like that? tia, I'm here to learn also. Regards uponit7771 Aug 2016 #322

I probably would be offended if Trump posted it, because it would be Trump posting it. Captain Stern Aug 2016 #343

Do you think it places the burden on the seer to infer her intentions if they know nothing about... uponit7771 Aug 2016 #346

Yes. Captain Stern Aug 2016 #354

Thanks, makes sense. uponit7771 Aug 2016 #355

I am guessing Ellen didn't look at him as a black man, but as a talented human The Straight Story Aug 2016 #333

Many on this thread only see race, not accomplishment Democat Aug 2016 #337

So it would be OK if it was tRump smiling on the back of a black man? If not then why? tia uponit7771 Aug 2016 #349

Many are finding reasons to be upset because they over think everything The Straight Story Aug 2016 #364

Do you think its fair to intimate to people who have been oppressed what they should not feel uponit7771 Aug 2016 #347

When everything is racist, nothing is racist Ex Lurker Aug 2016 #348

So it would be OK if it was tRump smiling on the back of a black man? tia uponit7771 Aug 2016 #353

Everything in context. Given Ellen's history of niceness to pretty much everyone she's encountered Ex Lurker Aug 2016 #356

OK, so if a person doesn't know Ellen... what are they supposed to think if they were black? tia uponit7771 Aug 2016 #362

No one should ever make any kind of joke Bettie Aug 2016 #358