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15. The wording of the Second Amendment WAS quite clear until Scalia

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 17, 2016, 06:12 PM

Aug 2016

decided to reinterpret them to allow for individual rights to carry.

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Texas Professors Will Learn to Like Guns. Or Else (Bloomberg) [View all] eppur_se_muova Aug 2016 OP

Unless one is a tenured professor I predict a mass exodus of academia from Texas kimbutgar Aug 2016 #1

I can tell you that I wouldn't apply for a job there. a la izquierda Aug 2016 #4

I doubt it. No evidence of lots of faculty leaving in other states that permit guns on campus. aikoaiko Aug 2016 #39

You got that backwards. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2016 #42

tenured professors are the ones with tge grants. drray23 Aug 2016 #165

When Judges, including the SCOTUS, allow guns in the courtroom, guillaumeb Aug 2016 #2

When gun control advocates live by the law then I'll believe they really support Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #3

The wording of the Second Amendment WAS quite clear until Scalia guillaumeb Aug 2016 #15

Do you have any original sources to support your assertion? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #16

It was not an assertion. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #18

That's your interpretation and I believe your interpretation to have no historical basis. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #22

Jesus, that was polite. Better than I could have managed. nt msanthrope Aug 2016 #109

I have been impolite in the past. Impolite beyond excuse. I have to be better than that. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #111

I think the question was sarisataka Aug 2016 #24

Prior to Heller, there was no individual right. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #25

So individuals were prohibited sarisataka Aug 2016 #26

Do you really expect an answer? Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #32

I'm surprised sarisataka Aug 2016 #33

Your questions have no relation to what I said. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #34

So then simply sarisataka Aug 2016 #35

The actual Second Amendment linked keeping and bearing arms guillaumeb Aug 2016 #40

So in short, no sarisataka Aug 2016 #44

An interesting but unoriginal explanation. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #66

Of course it is unoriginal sarisataka Aug 2016 #75

Can you show any federal or state laws limiting gun ownership to militia member? hack89 Aug 2016 #55

Read the Second Amendment prior to Scalia's rewording. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Aug 2016 #68

The only one ignoring any wording, is you. beevul Aug 2016 #56

So there is literally no reason for the words: guillaumeb Aug 2016 #69

Sure there is. You just don't like or agree with it. beevul Aug 2016 #70

You are ignoring the original intent, possibly because guillaumeb Aug 2016 #72

The intent is indeed quite clear...1) it is declared that well-regulated militias are necessary. jmg257 Aug 2016 #78

No, I'm embracing it. beevul Aug 2016 #79

Give it up dude, your getting your ass kicked frankieallen Aug 2016 #162

No, you cannot accept that Scalia invented a right guillaumeb Aug 2016 #164

You are wrong. Again. beevul Aug 2016 #166

You are asserting that no right exists until SCOTUS rules that it does? metalbot Aug 2016 #38

Did you miss the "well regulated" part of the wording? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #41

The 2A clearly says the right belongs to the people. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #47

Interesting that you left out, or forgot, the Constitution and its guillaumeb Aug 2016 #67

"And only a well regulated militia is mentioned in the Second Amendment... " beevul Aug 2016 #71

Where does the militia come from? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #76

Thats a mischaracterization. beevul Aug 2016 #59

When and where has this been enforced? Marengo Aug 2016 #73

A rationale is not the same thing as a limitation. Straw Man Aug 2016 #151

nice analogy! Vattel Aug 2016 #174

When and where has the militia service requirement for possessing a firearm been enforced? Marengo Aug 2016 #167

The requirement is part of the Second Amendment. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #168

When and where was this enforced? When and where was gun ownership only permitted... Marengo Aug 2016 #169

Isn't it clear that every member of governmnet, except for the President who is C in C, jmg257 Aug 2016 #175

I must have missed that lecture in American history. Marengo Aug 2016 #178

The only requirement contained in the second amendment, is a requirement that the gov not infringe.. beevul Aug 2016 #173

When and where was/is this link enforced? When and where were only members of the militia... Marengo Aug 2016 #177

When in our history did we not commonly own guns outside of militia service? hack89 Aug 2016 #53

You have never read Heller, have you? hack89 Aug 2016 #54

Do you expect people to take your post seriously? frankieallen Aug 2016 #161

A well reasoned and balanced response. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #163

Well Done! ProfessorGAC Aug 2016 #5

And Judges. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author Initech Aug 2016 #6

Criminals aren't allowed to carry a gun on campus or anywhere else. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #8

Many shooters were not criminals until they started shooting. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #21

Many drunk drivers weren't criminals until they started drinking and driving. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #23

Ah, so which do we ban, alcohol or motor vehicles? Marengo Aug 2016 #51

I guess it depends sarisataka Aug 2016 #58

Obviously both since bans are so effective. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #61

Until you get some all knowing pre-crime pre-cognitors.... TipTok Aug 2016 #36

The failed attempt is yours, as usual. pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #98

What has ever kept assholes from "walking into a university with a gun?" Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #12

Actually that is not correct Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #27

I'll just shut up about guns from now on. Initech Aug 2016 #29

Please do not Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #31

+1,000 NT pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #155

It is telling how the. deathrind Aug 2016 #77

Agreed, but let us not forget legislators also. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #80

Very true. deathrind Aug 2016 #81

Good luck, you are debating people who believe George Zimmernan is a responsible gun owner, Hoyt Aug 2016 #108

I believe I read that the Dean of the Architecture College resigned due to this law. redstatebluegirl Aug 2016 #7

You have to be 21 and apply for a permit including extended background check. JonathanRackham Aug 2016 #9

Well, that's a comfort. eppur_se_muova Aug 2016 #17

Which other colleges where this was already allowed, have had problems? N/T beevul Aug 2016 #60

Please have just a little knowledge of the subject law Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #28

Why? Should it be a requirement to knowledge of the facts... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #94

Texas can't be the only place where campus carry is allowed(?), how have other states jmg257 Aug 2016 #10

Guns on campus overview (National Conference of State Legislatures | 31 May 2016) struggle4progress Aug 2016 #11

One of my jobs at UC Santa Barbara was at the police station. No guns for civilians... Hekate Aug 2016 #14

So Utah allows open carry? I never heard a problem at all from this state. yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #30

Mass exodus of qualified academics?;staff members may be stuck ifthe Austin campus is major employer Hekate Aug 2016 #13

Class action suit???? MicaelS Aug 2016 #49

Danger in the workplace, among other things Hekate Aug 2016 #50

This is just sick! smirkymonkey Aug 2016 #20

"Legal Arguments" TipTok Aug 2016 #37

I guess that folks there forgot about Charles Whitman MrScorpio Aug 2016 #43

Are you aware, sarisataka Aug 2016 #45

I am aware. I lived in Austin for a couple of years myself MrScorpio Aug 2016 #46

So actually Whitman is irrelevant sarisataka Aug 2016 #48

Yeah, except for one thing: Paladin Aug 2016 #52

The choice of the date is either sarisataka Aug 2016 #57

I was in Austin that day, listening to KTBC Channel 7. Paladin Aug 2016 #62

Thank you. nt MrScorpio Aug 2016 #63

total gun humper history revision Skittles Aug 2016 #64

They can't be forced to like guns, of course, but they may have to learn to tolerate them. Or quit. WillowTree Aug 2016 #74

And also "tolerate" 30,000 gun deaths a year? The price of freedom? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #82

Do you intend to work this hard to reinstate the prohibition of alcohol? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #84

Alcohol is not "designed" to facilitate mass murder. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #85

Neither are semi-auto civilian legal weapons. beevul Aug 2016 #86

An award for evading and avoiding. But no congratulations are due. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #89

As always, asking the wrong questions, in order to get the wrong answers. beevul Aug 2016 #95

A high mark for evasion and avoidance. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #97

Its only "obvious" to anti-gun idealogues. beevul Aug 2016 #144

Keep those goal posts moving discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #88

Keep up the evasion and "explaining" that a gun is not designed to kill. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #90

Are you less dead when killed with baseball bat than a gun? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #91

As I said, keep up the "explaining" and perhaps you can convince yourself. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #92

Oh I'm convinced already discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #93

I hope that I am convincing the same readers. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #96

I've never worked for a small arms manufacturer discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #101

Have you ever been a politician? If not do you have no right to a political opinion? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #103

I look forward to continuing the discussion but life is calling discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #104

And winning the GOLD Medal for avoidance is.......... guillaumeb Aug 2016 #105

He went over to the safe haven and is complaining Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #107

What are guns designed to do? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #115

Fire a projectile out the barrel of the weapon Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #118

I would suggest rereading the SOP. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #119

Only my military specification bolt action rifles. Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #122

Yes, we both agree that military style weapons are obviously designed for one purpose. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #126

Even self defense is not killing Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #127

Self defense does not always require killing. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #134

I do not think it does Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #137

I am currently blocked from one forum. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #139

You too, have a great night Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #142

You continue to be wrong. Its beginning to look habitual. beevul Aug 2016 #146

"What is the point of firing the projectile?" beevul Aug 2016 #145

Wow, you'd think after winning a gold medal they'd let you make a speech discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #125

First, my apologies. That question was first directed to another poster. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #129

So Olympic firearms are only designed to kill people Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #132

Guns are designed to kill. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #135

apologies unnecessary... seems to be a misunderstanding discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #140

The reference was to the olympic swimmer. Lochte? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #141

"Could your target rifle be used to kill someone?" discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #159

It is refreshing to see respectful Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #130

Bravo... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #133

Insults are pointless. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #136

That is a refreshing view Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #138

Ah yes -- the ever infantile "Guns Are Designed To Kill" "argument". pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #99

If you persist in the nonsense that a gun is not designed to kill, guillaumeb Aug 2016 #100

The assertion that 'guns were designed to kill' was yours discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #102

As I *CLEARLY* stated -- it matters *NOT A BIT* what a gun is designed for. pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #149

Bears repeating......... pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #150

Let's see if you have the character to answer two *very* simple questions. pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #152

I counted four question marks, thus four questions. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #160

I have no problem answering your question, though I doubt you'll respond to mine. pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #170

Speaking of unanswered questions, there are quite a few awaiting for your reply. Marengo Aug 2016 #179

A very apt description. N/T beevul Aug 2016 #147

There are several flaws with your argument. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #110

Since we are pointing out flaws, guillaumeb Aug 2016 #112

British police still possess and employ firearms. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #113

Which does not actually negate anything that I said. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #114

If guns are designed for mass murder why do the police possess them? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #116

My question to you was: guillaumeb Aug 2016 #117

Accurately fire a projectile safely where pointed Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #120

You wrote in Post #85 that guns are designed for mass murder. That means your Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #121

I previously wrote that detachable, large capacity magazines...etc guillaumeb Aug 2016 #123

I am granting your premise for the sake of discussion. It is you who avoids the Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #131

Ouch. beevul Aug 2016 #148

Bravo! NT pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #157

That stings just a bit, lol Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #124

And our question to you is "Why do you ask"? How does your question advance the dialog? pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #153

And our collective answer to you - if I may be so presume to speak for others, is...... pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #154

Why are you trivializing the lives of gun violence victims by asking pointless questions? NT pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #156

Folks have a tendency to ignore unproductive questions. Deal with it. NT pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #171

Is alcohol an Olympic sport? JonathanRackham Aug 2016 #158

May I just comment that this gun culture we have in the United States is fucking nuts. Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #83

Are there any other countries in the world where they have these conversations? HerrKarlMarx Aug 2016 #87

Good news everyone. You all get an A! 6chars Aug 2016 #106

can the headline... bagelsforbreakfast Aug 2016 #128

Well, I am sure we see them all the time Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #143

Do they fear armed staff members that much? ManiacJoe Aug 2016 #172

Glad my last two kids graduated from UT this last May! Dustlawyer Aug 2016 #176

UPDATE: Their virtue signalling has come to naught: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #180

Makes sense - Courts often defer to the legislative efforts when laws are constitutional. jmg257 Aug 2016 #181

"Or else" what? N/T beevul Aug 2016 #182