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ProSense

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33. So

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 05:01 PM

Dec 2011

"I was there at the election too. And again and again I heard the meme of how Kerry was better then Bush. Not perfect. Not even all that different. Btu somehow less objectionable. "

...you ignored the other meme? I mean, if being better isn't enough, then what's the point?

Still, this is not your argument. You claimed that simply arguing from a negative that's completely flawed.

"Because if the best argument is the other guy is worse and you're a bad person for mentioning that even so this guy is still pretty flawed, you actually make people want to NOT do what you want. "

If the Democrat is better, it's pretty obvious the other guy is worse. Why is that a problem?

The only time it's a problem to be better is when the negative framing "lesser of two evils" is used.

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... DevonRex Dec 2011 #1

Yep. TheWraith Dec 2011 #31

the Greenwald article this is a parody of is worth reading Enrique Dec 2011 #2

nice spin, but you're wrong SunsetDreams Dec 2011 #57

Ya know... CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #3

Yes Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2011 #5

It's not nobodyspecial Dec 2011 #9

Yeah Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2011 #26

Thank you - best analogy for the "let it burn" position. I will be borrowing this, arely staircase Dec 2011 #14

You're welcome and help yourself! CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #36

+1 Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2011 #4

I imagine that for many voters, it will be a choice between LanternWaste Dec 2011 #6

K&R... SidDithers Dec 2011 #7

Yep, exactly! Spazito Dec 2011 #8

Case in Point!! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #37

The question isn't whether people are going to vote for Obama hifiguy Dec 2011 #10

and this is why we lose booley Dec 2011 #11

Reality sucks nobodyspecial Dec 2011 #12

Voting my convictions. LanternWaste Dec 2011 #35

Ok let me see if I can sum up millions of words of others in a short post here booley Dec 2011 #39

No ProSense Dec 2011 #17

sorry but you got that backwards booley Dec 2011 #28

So ProSense Dec 2011 #33

Except the argument isn't "Better" booley Dec 2011 #40

Well ProSense Dec 2011 #41

Oh sorry you're right booley Dec 2011 #46

Speaking ProSense Dec 2011 #52

I think you have it backwards. Pointing out the consequences of a Nader vote in 2000 resulted in his BzaDem Dec 2011 #61

Wait a minute. Why aren't CENTRISTS to blame for the lack of voter enthusiam Romulox Dec 2011 #44

Why ProSense Dec 2011 #45

You're Romulox Dec 2011 #47

Oh, ProSense Dec 2011 #56

There is a really easy answer to that. BzaDem Dec 2011 #62

Careful with that argument. Laelth Dec 2011 #69

I highly doubt the Democratic party worries about people voting against the party from the left. BzaDem Dec 2011 #70

They are not swerving to the right treestar Dec 2011 #19

I'm not saying Obama is evil at all. nobodyspecial Dec 2011 #25

Below, you said: "Smart, thinking people don't vote for Obama." AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #67

Your analysis works if the voter acts like a consumer. bigmonkey Dec 2011 #34

We won the last Presidential Election and we're going to win the next one, too. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #68

I can only imagine that the "let it burn" crowd don't have children to whom they wish to hand arely staircase Dec 2011 #13

But their ideals and conscience are far more important nobodyspecial Dec 2011 #15

yep. nt arely staircase Dec 2011 #16

Exactly. And they don't realize how much suffering there would be treestar Dec 2011 #18

with no assurance things will then (or ever) get better. nt arely staircase Dec 2011 #21

and with no guarantee of the outcome nobodyspecial Dec 2011 #23

If anything, it would enable right wing states' rights types treestar Dec 2011 #29

I hear we eat babies too booley Dec 2011 #30

strawman - I said nothing about people "who are angry with Obama." arely staircase Dec 2011 #38

strawman? Look in a mirror booley Dec 2011 #42

please show me where I have characterized those who are angry at Obama as nihilists or arely staircase Dec 2011 #43

The issue isn't people who don't want to vote or Obama. BzaDem Dec 2011 #63

My problem with the Let it Burn approach - TBF Dec 2011 #20

well, this Southern Progressive does have the ability to return fire. arely staircase Dec 2011 #22

I think the country has a good chance of falling into despotism... joshcryer Dec 2011 #55

There's an argument to be made for what you say. Turbineguy Dec 2011 #24

I think you're engaging in magical thinking. bigmonkey Dec 2011 #48

Yep, I don't get why there is such a consensus nobodyspecial Dec 2011 #50

Well, I did mention Turbineguy Dec 2011 #54

I'm tired of all the extremism and hyperbole on both sides of the issue, period. Quartermass Dec 2011 #27

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we had a better choice? JDPriestly Dec 2011 #32

But...? kentuck Dec 2011 #49

Or we can have a right-wing "Dem" re-elected as president slay Dec 2011 #51

We sure do nobodyspecial Dec 2011 #53

But what makes you think that someone is going to get something just because they need it? BzaDem Dec 2011 #64

Preaching to the choir and turning on the pew members in case they might think for themselves. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #58

There is nothing I can say to win over those nobodyspecial Dec 2011 #59

I think that you're right. People who learn to think are a problem. But only to those who cannot AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #60

Yes, because clearly anyone who would vote for Obama nobodyspecial Dec 2011 #65

Lots of people in the world can think while simultaneously having horrible ideas. BzaDem Dec 2011 #66