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UMTerp01

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106. "As long as they play by the many, many rules"

Sat Aug 20, 2016, 08:25 PM

Aug 2016

That is the key. And the fact that it was alerted proves that point a bit. These bastions of White liberalism need to work on issues of intersectionality. That is what I have seen to be the biggest issue. This board is not the place that allows a truly free open dialogue for issues that may cause very differing opinions and anyone's feelings that are a little bit hurt get to hit the "report" button. I've never flagged a post here and I think maybe have only once ever voted in jury to hide a post. If you don't agree with the poster then fine. Challenge their viewpoint and have a civil discussion. As long as there aren't personal attacks I don't see why any post would be flagged.

But I have found that with some White liberal acquaintances, particularly White males. All is good so long as I'm towing the line with their viewpoints, but the minute I challenge them or make them the slightest uncomfortable then they show a side of privilege that makes me keep them at arm's length.

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The Culture Of The Smug White Liberal [View all] KamaAina Aug 2016 OP

I see no lies in this article UMTerp01 Aug 2016 #1

This is a great article Gman Aug 2016 #2

This was alerted on Quayblue Aug 2016 #3

Of course it was alerted on UMTerp01 Aug 2016 #14

Spell it out -- who runs this place? SMC22307 Aug 2016 #102

"As long as they play by the many, many rules" UMTerp01 Aug 2016 #106

Ain't that the truth. KMOD Aug 2016 #116

Civility is stressed at DU... SMC22307 Aug 2016 #119

Where's the insult? UMTerp01 Aug 2016 #127

I know some DUers reject the dictionary because... SMC22307 Aug 2016 #133

DU doesn't need any more of the identity politics. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #128

Only if you choose to see it that way. KMOD Aug 2016 #138

Exactly!!!!!! nt UMTerp01 Aug 2016 #156

Exactly. n/t lumberjack_jeff Sep 2016 #192

You gotta be shittin me. Who, HERE, would alert this OP? 7962 Aug 2016 #49

Most Definitely... LovingA2andMI Aug 2016 #52

Cue the "easily triggered" jokes. Odin2005 Aug 2016 #76

See the latest whine thread about how laughing at the naked Trump statue triggers all obese people. backscatter712 Aug 2016 #158

I'd love to post the video of Phil Ochs Warpy Aug 2016 #123

"This was alerted on" major debacle Aug 2016 #135

A couple of ways, perhaps. Beartracks Aug 2016 #151

such a great article. nt La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2016 #4

Interesting article. kiva Aug 2016 #5

the media might be filled with white liberal "voices", but they're reading from a right-wing script. unblock Aug 2016 #6

I think it's more nuanced than that. loyalsister Aug 2016 #15

Very thought provoking post. KMOD Aug 2016 #143

Thanks. Living in Columbia, MO has been a great educational opportunity with last fall's events loyalsister Aug 2016 #148

Damn Skippy! nt MrScorpio Aug 2016 #7

When I was a youth, I stumbled across a book I have never forgotten. yallerdawg Aug 2016 #8

Interesting historical audio clip of him BumRushDaShow Aug 2016 #18

Nice clip - very interesting story premise. yallerdawg Aug 2016 #46

There was actually a modern production of it created. BumRushDaShow Aug 2016 #67

Interesting paragraph... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #65

Oh boy this is really going to be good. MicaelS Aug 2016 #9

Actually, a haole (white) man posted it. A black woman wrote it. KamaAina Aug 2016 #20

Got it. I Corrected my OP. Thanks. n/t MicaelS Aug 2016 #31

Strangely enough, that sentence is very similar to what I've read elsewhere, 7962 Aug 2016 #54

Do you really think that is what liberalism is about? If so, will you not be voting for Squinch Aug 2016 #85

I will vote straight Democratic, period. MicaelS Aug 2016 #90

So they are too concerned with social justice at the expense of economic justice? Squinch Aug 2016 #92

I didn't get that at all from her article. KMOD Aug 2016 #98

Everyone's perspective is molded by different experiences mdbl Aug 2016 #160

Excellent read malaise Aug 2016 #10

I do not agree with most of that viewpoint. Doodley Aug 2016 #11

i don't see how a trip to africa is giving something up JI7 Aug 2016 #13

What should white liberals give up that black liberals in same financial position are giving up? Doodley Aug 2016 #25

they don't have to give up anything. my point is that a trip to africa isn't giving something up JI7 Aug 2016 #34

Sure it is. It's giving time. TCJ70 Aug 2016 #132

that's not "giving up" as in sacrafice such as those who go to wars, sorry but if that's how they JI7 Aug 2016 #150

"Not good enough, young people!" TCJ70 Aug 2016 #165

if they see themselves as some martyr type yeah they aren't very helpful JI7 Aug 2016 #176

Barbie Savior hunter Aug 2016 #99

pretty much JI7 Aug 2016 #152

The author wrote that article with you in mind. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2016 #40

If it generalized about blacks in that way, it would be dismissed as a racist rant. Doodley Aug 2016 #63

+10 Vattel Aug 2016 #113

"it�s unfair to judge an entire by the actions of a small minority" Igel Aug 2016 #12

I don't expect white liberals to "give up anything" - I don't even know what that means. romanic Aug 2016 #16

What about white privilege and microaggressions. Do you believe they exist? I do. Squinch Aug 2016 #86

I believe white Americans have it easier romanic Aug 2016 #110

We'll have to disagree about microaggressions. In fact, I find it interesting that, Squinch Aug 2016 #114

If somone used the n or c words then they would be banned romanic Aug 2016 #164

The question is, are you OK with that? If that were not the case and those people were not Squinch Aug 2016 #168

Of course not. romanic Aug 2016 #179

And my point is that this is word policing, which you say you object to. Squinch Aug 2016 #184

it is only a microaggression if it triggers you into a safe space snooper2 Aug 2016 #185

Can I touch your hair? So, what are you anyhow? You all live in poverty so you have nothing to lose. Squinch Aug 2016 #187

Some excellent points 40RatRod Aug 2016 #17

Great read! Mirror in front of this white face. Missn-Hitch Aug 2016 #19

So... MynameisBlarney Aug 2016 #21

It's not a minority of people in said group, KMOD Aug 2016 #24

You are right and that is very racist whoever may be saying it about whichever group. Doodley Aug 2016 #35

No shit? So because I call someone a murderer, I'm a murderer too? Lol. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2016 #39

No of course not. You wouldn't be making a blanket statement about a whole group of people. Doodley Aug 2016 #42

Committing a murder is a deliberate choice made by an individual. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #75

Yes. They are judging a racist, too comfortable, and privileged white majority. Because said jtuck004 Aug 2016 #38

I'm a white liberal. What exactly do you want me to do, or don't I have the morals to change? Doodley Aug 2016 #44

This is what us white liberals should do. KMOD Aug 2016 #53

I will be defensive if a broad brush is used against any group of people. Doodley Aug 2016 #61

and yet, here you are KMOD Aug 2016 #64

Ding ding ding. Well put. Missn-Hitch Aug 2016 #170

Derisive name-calling is what immediately shuts down the conversation. SMC22307 Aug 2016 #174

You have got to be kidding me. KMOD Aug 2016 #177

oh don't you know? Skittles Aug 2016 #120

She never stereotyped all white liberals, KMOD Aug 2016 #144

The first time I heard the term "safe space" was from a group of college-aged black women.... Moonwalk Aug 2016 #22

Best post of the day. You said it better than I ever could. Doodley Aug 2016 #41

I have personally known many people who fit this description. Throd Aug 2016 #23

What should they do that you are doing? Doodley Aug 2016 #27

Maybe start by not be so self-satisfied with their hyperenlightened moral superiority. Throd Aug 2016 #32

I apologize for being white and being so satisfied with my own hyperenlightened moral superiority. Doodley Aug 2016 #36

That's a start, but what are you going to do about it? (ntxt) scscholar Aug 2016 #68

Yes, the smugness is the sin Warpy Aug 2016 #124

You can run across that anywhere on the political spectrum treestar Aug 2016 #26

Very well said. Doodley Aug 2016 #29

they do the same thing with sexism, they feel its ok to rip into any women they disagree with with Grey Lemercier Aug 2016 #28

Great... Ishoutandscream2 Aug 2016 #30

Good, thought-provoking article. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2016 #33

K&R GREAT Article. eom MohRokTah Aug 2016 #37

There are some truths being mixed in with broad generalizations IronLionZion Aug 2016 #43

I am sorry you have had to face ridiculous questions about where you choose to live. Doodley Aug 2016 #48

We have our own Fascists in our party. Oneironaut Aug 2016 #45

Most people are ok with fascism as long as it goes along with there believes. UnFettered Aug 2016 #79

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2016 #47

I dont think u can stuff Cryptoad Aug 2016 #50

Exactly. I would think it is insulting to most of the white DU members who read this thread. Doodley Aug 2016 #55

Most DU members "get it' and are not offended .... etherealtruth Aug 2016 #104

+1 KMOD Aug 2016 #146

She is a Democrat. KMOD Aug 2016 #58

With n that context,,, Cryptoad Aug 2016 #62

Black woman. . . daligirrl Aug 2016 #66

This Right Here.... LovingA2andMI Aug 2016 #51

Good article. annabanana Aug 2016 #56

Chris hedges said something once about liberals love The Poor.. Volaris Aug 2016 #57

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2016 #59

This is some utter BS. Point your finger at the media not at me. I'm a PROGRESSIVE .. A LEFTIST YOHABLO Aug 2016 #60

K&R awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #69

K&R Sissyk Aug 2016 #70

"Love Me I'm a Liberal" The River Aug 2016 #71

Thanks for posting! TeacherB87 Aug 2016 #72

K&R ileus Aug 2016 #73

I'm not liking this article. I don't at all deny the fact of smugness among white liberals. My Squinch Aug 2016 #74

I agree. SecularMotion Aug 2016 #83

Glad I'm not the only one who saw it. The response to the article is so overwhelmingly Squinch Aug 2016 #84

I read it more as frustration, KMOD Aug 2016 #91

I get the intent, I just think it's suspect that the author chose a whole lot of complaints Squinch Aug 2016 #94

I think the Eric Garner death reference, KMOD Aug 2016 #97

She didn't offer any suggestions about what to "start doing" she just attacked Liberals stevenleser Aug 2016 #100

Her suggestion, at least in my interpretation, KMOD Aug 2016 #107

Does she honestly think Liberals aren't doing that? How would she know? stevenleser Aug 2016 #109

I'll once again refer to this excerpt KMOD Aug 2016 #111

Yes, I agree with that. We all should be judged by what we are doing to solve our Squinch Aug 2016 #112

I said a bit more in post #107 KMOD Aug 2016 #115

I agree that the discussion is always a valuable one. Squinch Aug 2016 #117

I just saw a clip on YouTube, "Liberal Policies to Blame for Inner City Chaos" betsuni Aug 2016 #157

I agree, I don't trust it. betsuni Aug 2016 #142

Good read UnFettered Aug 2016 #77

Too many middle class white people are more concerned with dealing with feelings of guilt... Odin2005 Aug 2016 #78

I've said for a while that the fantasy of white liberalism is that if everyone thinks long and hard XemaSab Aug 2016 #80

At least ten truths in the article Person 2713 Aug 2016 #81

Which ten truths? Doodley Aug 2016 #93

This is the most racist thread I have ever seen on DU. Doodley Aug 2016 #82

Well, you're a n00b. Stick around a while. You'll see plenty more. KamaAina Aug 2016 #105

No doubt, you'll support your allegation yes? LanternWaste Aug 2016 #186

An interesting article that I think is too generalized and superficial not to mention conservative stevenleser Aug 2016 #87

I totally agree. And I agree with your conclusion: Squinch Aug 2016 #88

Poor thing. ronnie624 Aug 2016 #89

Absolute BS article (designed to generate HuffPost clicks) oberliner Aug 2016 #95

I agree its bullshit jcgoldie Aug 2016 #140

True romanic Aug 2016 #180

I've seen it. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #96

This Thread Was Worth the Read lib87 Aug 2016 #101

No liberal has ever stated that the black community should not be held responsible bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #103

It's an exercise in broad-brushing and taking personal issues... SMC22307 Aug 2016 #108

Actually, I believe she was trying to reach you. KMOD Aug 2016 #118

The black community should not be held responsible for the actions of a few bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #121

LOL... SMC22307 Aug 2016 #126

So much of what the article said was accurate and wonderful bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #129

Then she can try forming an argument based on reality NuclearDem Aug 2016 #122

Nobody was called a racist. KMOD Aug 2016 #130

She failed. Perhaps she should work... SMC22307 Aug 2016 #125

Or perhaps you should work on your KMOD Aug 2016 #131

When someone starts by calling me "smug," SMC22307 Aug 2016 #134

Why do you assume she was addressing you, and you alone? KMOD Aug 2016 #139

Should Muslims, Mexicans, and immigrants feel the same way about Trump's comments? Doodley Aug 2016 #153

The OP was not racist KMOD Aug 2016 #154

please SheriffBob Aug 2016 #163

Thank you. I appreciate that you have stood up to a bully. Doodley Aug 2016 #182

Yes, I do have a big problem with race. I am intolerant of any racism and always have been. Doodley Aug 2016 #181

i agree SheriffBob Aug 2016 #178

i am sure that sean hannity would approve of this article SheriffBob Aug 2016 #136

The race baiting meme needs to stop. KMOD Aug 2016 #155

You get it and anybody who disagrees with you doesn't get it. SheriffBob Aug 2016 #161

That's fair comment. Of all the groups that one might rail against, hitting those who at the very OnDoutside Aug 2016 #166

I think people are on a gradiant where racism is concerned. That is not new. I heard a poem applegrove Aug 2016 #137

I took an online test for skin tone bias through Harvard. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #141

I did the first test too and came in at slightly biased. Nicholas Kristof did a like test applegrove Aug 2016 #145

The most shocking thing for me recently was seeing... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #149

Good Points! burrowowl Aug 2016 #147

Language doesn't matter. raven mad Aug 2016 #159

K&R! Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Aug 2016 #190

The author is the "White Liberal" Whisperer! MellowDem Aug 2016 #167

Some of us got involved in NC's anti-fracking movement... SMC22307 Aug 2016 #175

Lol. A heap of conservative talking points, swallowed whole because wrapped in identity politics. redgreenandblue Aug 2016 #169

Of course the unstated corollary to this argument . . FairWinds Aug 2016 #171

MLK wrote once ... mntleo2 Aug 2016 #172

This is why I'm a classic pre-Reagan Blue Collar Democrat.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #173

Damn "Liberal White Supremacists" aikoaiko Aug 2016 #183

So, racist black person hates white people. Got it. closeupready Aug 2016 #188

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Aug 2016 #189

Yes, because this black liberal isn't at all smug: closeupready Aug 2016 #191