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That Guy 888

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Sun Aug 21, 2016, 04:04 AM
Aug 2016
Hillary Clinton and Henry Kissinger: It's Personal. Very Personal.
The Clintons and the Kissingers regularly spend holidays together at a beachfront villa.

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...Clinton defended her association with Kissinger by replying, "I listen to a wide variety of voices that have expertise in various areas." She cast her interactions with Kissinger as motivated by her desire to obtain any information that might be useful to craft policy. "People we may disagree with on a number of things may have some insight, may have some relationships that are important for the president to understand in order to best protect the United States," she said.

What Clinton did not mention was that her bond with Kissinger was personal as well as professional, as she and her husband have for years regularly spent their winter holidays with Kissinger and his wife, Nancy, at the beachfront villa of fashion designer Oscar de la Renta, who died in 2014, and his wife, Annette, in the Dominican Republic.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/hillary-clinton-kissinger-vacation-dominican-republic-de-la-renta

Hillary and Henry: Clinton's Relationship With Kissinger

The two former secretaries of state have been close for years, with Clinton calling him "a friend" and noting that she "relied on his counsel" when she was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013.

"He checked in with me regularly, sharing astute observations about foreign leaders and sending me written reports on his travels. Though we have often seen the world and some of our challenges quite differently, and advocated different responses now and in the past...." she wrote in a review of his book "World Order" that was published in the Washington Post in 2014.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-henry-clintons-relationship-kissinger/story?id=39195203

Hillary Clinton’s Ties to Henry Kissinger Come Back to Haunt Her
When Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, she relied on Henry A. Kissinger’s counsel. He would send her “astute observations about foreign leaders” and “written reports on his travels.” She would joke with him that smartphones would have made his covert Cold War trip to Beijing impossible.

The two diplomats had a cordial, warm and respectful relationship, based on writings about their interactions during Mrs. Clinton’s tenure at the State Department.

“Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state,” Mrs. Clinton wrote in The Washington Post, in a positive review of his book “World Order.”

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/12/hillary-clintons-ties-to-henry-kissinger-come-back-to-haunt-her/?_r=0

Henry Kissinger, Hillary Clinton’s Tutor in War and Peace
Last night, Clinton once again praised a man with a lot of blood on his hands.

A full tally hasn’t been done, but a back-of-the-envelope count would attribute 3, maybe 4 million deaths to Kissinger’s actions, but that number probably undercounts his victims in southern Africa. Pull but one string from the current tangle of today’s multiple foreign policy crises, and odds are it will lead back to something Kissinger did between 1968 and 1977. Over-reliance on Saudi oil? That’s Kissinger. Blowback from the instrumental use of radical Islam to destabilize Soviet allies? Again, Kissinger. An unstable arms race in the Middle East? Check, Kissinger. Sunni-Shia rivalry? Yup, Kissinger. The impasse in Israel-Palestine? Kissinger. Radicalization of Iran? “An act of folly” was how veteran diplomat George Ball described Kissinger’s relationship to the Shah. Militarization of the Persian Gulf? Kissinger, Kissinger, Kissinger.

And yet Clinton continues to call his name, hoping his light bathes her in wisdom.

Hillary Clinton’s progress as a public figure and politician can, in fact, be indexed perfectly by her relationship to Henry Kissinger. In 1970 as a law student at Yale before she met Bill, Hillary Rodham, in April and May was at the center of what she called “the Yale-Cambodia madness,” a series of protests that started around the “New Haven Nine” Black Panther trial but escalated when Nixon, on April 30, announced the invasion of Cambodia—an invasion Kissinger was instrumental in planning and executing. On May 1, the day after Nixon’s speech, “Vietcong flags filled the air; gas masks were distributed. Streaming banners and impromptu chants abounded: ‘Seize the Time!’ ‘End U.S. imperialism around the world!’”

Then in the early 1990s, Hillary Rodham Clinton would again be caught up in events related to Kissinger’s actions. Her husband, Bill Clinton, embraced Kissinger, which began Kissinger’s apotheosis into his current incarnation as a bipartisan elder statesman, invoked by politicians who want to appear “serious.”

https://www.thenation.com/article/henry-kissinger-hillary-clintons-tutor-in-war-and-peace/

I find it interesting that on DU we're apparently not supposed to know or discuss this. For the Dead-Enders... the only truly trustworthy source:

Sec. Kissinger, on Sec. Clinton: “She ran the State Department in the most effective way that I’ve ever seen.” According to USA Today, “Nearly 40 years since he left appointed office, Kissinger still can provoke controversy. Hillary Rodham Clinton, another former secretary of State, wrote a favorable review of his new book in Sunday’s Washington Post. ‘The World According to Henry Kissinger,’ it was titled, and an enormous photo of Kissinger’s face filled most of the page. ‘I’ve known her for many years now, and I respect her intellect,’ he says of Clinton. ‘And she ran the State Department in the most effective way that I’ve ever seen.’ More effectively than he did? ‘Yes,’ he says with a smile. ‘I was more chaotic.’” [USA Today, 9/9/14]

Sec. Kissinger: “I know Hillary as a person. And as a personal friend, I would say yes, she’d be a good president.” According to Sec. Kissinger’s interview with NPR’s Scott Simon, regarding whether Sec. Kissinger thought Sec. Clinton would be a good president, “I know Hillary as a person. And as a personal friend, I would say yes, she’d be a good president. But she’d put me under a great conflict of interest if she were a candidate, because I tend to support the Republicans… Yes, I’d be comfortable with her as the president.” [NPR, 9/8/14]

Sec. Kissinger: “She’d [Sec. Clinton would] put me under a great conflict of interest if she were a candidate, because I tend to support the Republicans… Yes, I’d be comfortable with her as the president.” According to Sec. Kissinger’s interview with NPR’s Scott Simon, regarding whether Sec. Kissinger thought Sec. Clinton would be a good president, “I know Hillary as a person. And as a personal friend, I would say yes, she’d be a good president. But she’d put me under a great conflict of interest if she were a candidate, because I tend to support the Republicans… Yes, I’d be comfortable with her as the president.” [NPR, 9/8/14]

“Republicans praised the prospect of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton Sunday. Former Nixon and Ford Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said Sunday that Clinton would be an ‘outstanding’ selection. ‘She is a lady of great intelligence, demonstrated enormous determination and would be an outstanding appointment,’ Kissinger told the World Economic Forum’s India Economic Summit in New Delhi, according to Bloomberg News.” [CNN.com, 11/16/08]

“I think of Hillary with admiration and affection. . . When I call Mrs. Clinton ‘Hillary,’ I do that not so much to indicate familiarity but to use a name that the whole world uses. It shows to what extent she has succeeded in her people-to-people work.” – Henry Kissinger, Former National Security Adviser and Secretary of State for President Nixon and President Ford [Washington Post, 5/3/13]

http://correctrecord.org/praise-for-hillary-clinton/
Recommended. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #1
He is a war criminal. I don't care how supposedly brilliant he is. He is a war criminal cali Aug 2016 #2
Kissinger has zero conscience. roamer65 Aug 2016 #3
Does a bear shit awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #4
It's not pc in upper dem circles or amongst team blue can do no wrong types cali Aug 2016 #5
Got a link on that? Kingofalldems Aug 2016 #14
I think that it's obvious. And I don't feel like getting a hide cali Aug 2016 #15
So no factual evidence. Okay. Kingofalldems Aug 2016 #16
No. Not willing to risk a hide. cali Aug 2016 #17
Why are you trying to bash our nominee? You think you're clever by being indirect pnwmom Aug 2016 #18
You are reading way too much into it. cali Aug 2016 #20
You can criticize Kissinger as much as you want and I'd support that. pnwmom Aug 2016 #21
Sorry, fact is fact. He has been embraced and lauded cali Aug 2016 #25
I'll risk and no doubt recieve a hide That Guy 888 Aug 2016 #27
the real irony is that the pubs will not use this against her Gabi Hayes Aug 2016 #32
That's a weird quote about kissinger's policy toward military people. That Guy 888 Aug 2016 #34
i am surprised it has not been alerted dembotoz Aug 2016 #39
Multiple links downthread That Guy 888 Aug 2016 #30
'team blue' not mentioned in those links. Kingofalldems Aug 2016 #43
Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #44
Did you know the rules when you joined? Kingofalldems Aug 2016 #45
I joined in 2002, I lurk more than I post That Guy 888 Aug 2016 #46
OK I am done. Do whatever the hell you want. Kingofalldems Aug 2016 #47
... tammywammy Aug 2016 #22
This is of course a rhetorical question thucythucy Aug 2016 #6
no. niyad Aug 2016 #7
Can't we just move on? G_j Aug 2016 #8
Will we ever repair the damage that was done by our country? surrealAmerican Aug 2016 #9
Best GUESS would be no. About 1 out of ever 25 or so Hortensis Aug 2016 #10
He is a wanted man shadowmayor Aug 2016 #11
Kissinger unleashed the beast in Nixon, nilesobek Aug 2016 #37
Kissinger and Nixon shadowmayor Aug 2016 #41
Sociopaths don't have a conscience. Odin2005 Aug 2016 #12
True that! burrowowl Aug 2016 #23
RECOMMENDED NT AikidoSoul Aug 2016 #13
K&R Solly Mack Aug 2016 #19
Hell no. JonLP24 Aug 2016 #24
unfortunately political realism is still taken seriously by many political office holders Vattel Aug 2016 #26
k and r bbgrunt Aug 2016 #28
only losers commit war crimes losing is a war crime rafeh1 Aug 2016 #29
read The Price of Power and The Trials of Henry Kissinger Gabi Hayes Aug 2016 #31
thank you, Gabi. cali Aug 2016 #38
any bets on how long this thread lasts when the son comes Up? Gabi Hayes Aug 2016 #33
It's from The New Yorker. It contains new information from newly released documents cali Aug 2016 #35
God, is he STILL alive? smirkymonkey Aug 2016 #36
I respect Fareed Zakaria True Dough Aug 2016 #40
At least 45 years too late to be asking that question SwankyXomb Aug 2016 #42
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