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MineralMan

(151,445 posts)
21. I've been to Vermont. It's a lovely state.
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 03:38 PM
Aug 2016

It's not difficult to block large-scale developments and be legal about it. If Vermont or parts of Vermont want to keep such developments out, then there are time-tested ways to make it impossible to build them. Up to a point, that is. However, if those land-use rules are not in place and someone proposes a development that doesn't violate existing limitations, it can be much more difficult to prevent that development from going forward.

In many rural areas, not enough attention has been focused on maintaining an existing land-use strategy, and laws have not been put in place, because nobody expected such changes. When that happens, it's always possible for a developer to use the holes in the land-use laws to do what he or she wants. It can be almost impossible for a jurisdiction to prevent such use if it is not prohibited.

I'd guess that this particular developer believes that he has found a legal gap that would make it possible to do what he plans. He might be correct, actually. Any hint that the local jurisdiction is trying to use religious grounds to prohibit the development could destroy its chances of actually stopping it. Religious freedom is a very tough bar to crack.

The story you linked to would seem to indicate that some such thing is being attempted. That's a serious mistake, and could screw up the plans to block such a development in their tracks.

Land-use stuff is tricky. Very tricky. The community where I used to live in California made a similar mistake, really. Not having to do with religion, but in not having well-designed land-use laws. A developer wanted to put up a shopping mall. It was across a major road from another one, but the property in question was zoned for agricultural use. The owner of the property was the developer. He looked at the land use limitations and discovered that he could pretty much do anything agricultural there without restriction. So, he decided that he'd put a pig farm on the property. It turned out that the local jurisdiction could not keep him from doing so, right on the edge of a residential and commercial zone. They had not considered such a use, and had not prohibited it.

The developer built the shopping mall. Apparently the local jurisdiction decided that would be a more appropriate use, since there was another one right across the road. The pig farm project was not developed.

If the area around that small town does not have adequate land-use restrictions in place, that jurisdiction is going to find that trying to use religion as the basis for prohibiting the development will backfire and they'll lose any chance of blocking this developer by taking the wrong approach. I foresee real problems with this, frankly. And if the proper land-use restrictions are not in place, it's too late to impose them if the developer has filed any plans for his project.

Quite a dilemma, and the developer can use current interest in alternative community development and agricultural/residential mixed development, along with energy considerations to push this effectively. The religion thing sounds like desperation to me. It will not succeed, and could backfire spectacularly.

On the upside, most such dream communities are never built for other reasons, anyhow.

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That picture looks amazing yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #1
Not in Vermont. NEVER. It's a bad fit. cali Aug 2016 #3
NIMBY, cali. nt msanthrope Aug 2016 #4
Not even a litttle bit, ms. cali Aug 2016 #16
Sorry, but your original post decrying the Mormon aspect of this project msanthrope Aug 2016 #27
The idea of an agrarian-based community is one that MineralMan Aug 2016 #7
I think having these communities without the religion component is doable for those yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #8
They don't appeal to me, personally, but they could be MineralMan Aug 2016 #9
Not at all. The problem is scale. Sharon is a tiny town of under 2,000 people. cali Aug 2016 #13
Makes me think of Rashneeshpuram... WheelWalker Aug 2016 #2
Inside the town that Domino's built: a Florida community called a 'Catholic's paradise' yortsed snacilbuper Aug 2016 #5
A Feb 2015 article states... 3catwoman3 Aug 2016 #12
Probably because there aren't many Catholics who would want to live in a "Catholic paradise" dflprincess Aug 2016 #32
Probably fighting it on its general unsuitability for Vermont MineralMan Aug 2016 #6
That is what we're fighting it on. cali Aug 2016 #15
In that case, it would probably be best to drop MineralMan Aug 2016 #17
I was just being snarky, and you're probably right. It gave the wrong impression cali Aug 2016 #19
I've been to Vermont. It's a lovely state. MineralMan Aug 2016 #21
I'm all for green communities. LWolf Aug 2016 #10
Amana Colonies in Iowa MineralMan Aug 2016 #11
It's very different. cali Aug 2016 #14
Cali, this is a weak argument. MineralMan Aug 2016 #18
My argument here isn't a religious based one. Why not respond to the long post I wrote in response cali Aug 2016 #20
I'm discussing your original post, which was all about MineralMan Aug 2016 #23
Of all the articles on this development plan, you chose MineralMan Aug 2016 #24
The Amana villages exist today mostly as tourist attractions, not self-sufficient 'colonies' REP Aug 2016 #29
Good soil, a decent growing season and a population who knows how to farm? LeftyMom Aug 2016 #34
+1 SwampG8r Aug 2016 #22
I wonder if this is just another EB-5 scheme like Jay Pike in the making. CK_John Aug 2016 #25
Lot of ground has been covered via the article Wellstone ruled Aug 2016 #26
Oh, he was a huckster, there's even written records confirming it. I find it amusing that a whole... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #28
South Park did an expose on him. Hearing his name reminds me of the Mountain Meadows Massacre! TheBlackAdder Aug 2016 #31
What religion didn't spring up from bullshit? edhopper Aug 2016 #33
Good for them! Xolodno Aug 2016 #30
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