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former9thward

(31,946 posts)
30. Bullshit back at you.
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 07:13 PM
Aug 2016

Of course I will supply links -- something you won't do.

For the benefit of the Warren Commission, expert riflemen from the US Army and the FBI attempted to duplicate the assassin’s task, using the rifle that had been discovered on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository.
Even after fixing some of the gun’s mechanical problems, and despite firing at stationary targets from an easier vantage point, they failed to achieve the combination of accuracy and speed demanded of the lone gunman: two hits out of three, within about six seconds (Warren Commission Hearings, vol.3, p.446 and pp.403–10).

In the 1950s Marines had the following shooting qualififcations:

Expert: a score of 220 to 250.
Sharpshooter: 210 to 219.
Marksman: 190 to 209.

In May 1959, Oswald scored 191: one mark above the minimum for a ‘marksman'

Colonel Allison Folsom interpreted the results for the Warren Commission:

The Marine Corps consider that any reasonable application of the instructions given to Marines should permit them to become qualified at least as a marksman. To become qualified as a sharpshooter, the Marine Corps is of the opinion that most Marines with a reasonable amount of adaptability to weapons firing can become so qualified. Consequently, a low marksman qualification indicates a rather poor “shot” and a sharpshooter qualification indicates a fairly good “shot”.(Warren Commission Hearings, vol.19, pp.17f

The Mannlicher Carcano rifle that was discovered on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, was a “cheap old weapon” (Warren Commission Hearings, vol.4, p.29).

It was examined by the FBI’s firearms specialist, who stated that:

Every time we changed the adjusting screws to move the crosshairs in the telescopic sight in one direction it also affected the movement of the impact or the point of impact in the other direction. … We fired several shots and found that the shots were not all landing in the same place, but were gradually moving away from the point of impact.(Warren Commission Hearings, vol.3, p.405)

Ronald Simmons of the US Army also examined the rifle, and found problems with the bolt and the trigger mechanism:
There were several comments made — particularly with respect to the amount of effort required to open the bolt. … There was also comment made about the trigger pull … in the first stage the trigger is relatively free, and it suddenly required a greater pull to actually fire the weapon. … The pressure to open the bolt was so great that that we tended to move the rifle off the target.(ibid., pp.449–51

I liked JFK. probably wrecked the real truth but it was still an interesting flick. havent seen msongs Aug 2016 #1
Yea was a fun movie Egnever Aug 2016 #2
Yes I liked JFK too. But I've never believed JFK's death was a conspiracy. Just saw applegrove Aug 2016 #3
Stone called his JFK movie a fiction, and boy, is it ever! stopbush Aug 2016 #4
I used to believe all the conspiracy stuff until.. MicaelS Aug 2016 #5
"Nova" on PBS just had a show about the science, regarding the shooting of Kennedy. Archae Aug 2016 #7
Historical Consultants: John McAdams & Gerald Posner MinM Aug 2016 #9
I guess we need you to show us how it was done. former9thward Aug 2016 #28
Absolute bullshit. stopbush Aug 2016 #29
Bullshit back at you. former9thward Aug 2016 #30
Oswald scored 212 in 1956 - earned a Sharpshooter rating. stopbush Aug 2016 #31
That was after 3 weeks of intensive training. former9thward Aug 2016 #33
You can search the DU archives. I've provided chapter and verse stopbush Aug 2016 #34
Again no links former9thward Aug 2016 #38
Sorry, but I long ago grew tired of arguing with CTists who ignore science stopbush Aug 2016 #39
LOL former9thward Aug 2016 #41
Er, the link I provided IS the testimony from the WC. stopbush Aug 2016 #42
has the intertubes told you who did it then? snooper2 Aug 2016 #45
Salvador, Platoon, Born on the 4th of July, JFK... MinM Aug 2016 #6
"Spot-on" in fantasyland. Archae Aug 2016 #8
Yeah, like when Reagan said the Contras were the moral equivalent of our Founding Fathers. Octafish Aug 2016 #11
Oliver Stone is a liar, and an anti-Semite. Archae Aug 2016 #14
I can condemn his anti-semitic crap and still recognize his right to make art cali Aug 2016 #18
I don't think he's an anti-Semite as his father was Jewish. Octafish Aug 2016 #23
I saw Stone's "apology." Even Trump put more into his. Archae Aug 2016 #25
And in real life Jim Garrison, the DA hero of JFK, was a raging homophobe. thucythucy Aug 2016 #27
Yup. He thought Shaw was part of a "homosexual thrill kill club." Archae Aug 2016 #37
Periodically, everyone at the NSA stops working to trick enemies ;-) Jeffersons Ghost Aug 2016 #22
Except in Born on the 4th of July that whistler162 Aug 2016 #32
He's a talented film maker. I want to see it. I'm able to parse fact from fiction. cali Aug 2016 #10
Being a talented film maker doesn't say anything about the truth. Archae Aug 2016 #13
He's a movie director. He makes art. Artists interpret what they see. This is simple shit. cali Aug 2016 #15
Stone can use the 1rst as much as he wants. Archae Aug 2016 #20
I fully support your right to crap all over Stone. I don't find him an appealing figure cali Aug 2016 #21
LOL! Rex Aug 2016 #12
that really is the best response cali Aug 2016 #16
It is just a credible as the Rex Aug 2016 #40
This story deserves to be told. Orrex Aug 2016 #17
Never liked his movies joeybee12 Aug 2016 #19
Lazy-ass has-been who can't come up with anything original. randome Aug 2016 #24
Most of us here condemned Michael Bay and his movie "13 Hours." Archae Aug 2016 #26
The Parallax View: a JFK conspiracy film that gets it right MinM Aug 2016 #35
The sad part is this is only the first Hollywood biopic Blue_Tires Aug 2016 #36
You don't like Oliver Stone? oberliner Aug 2016 #43
I loved is early stuff up to Nixon on a purely movie making stand point Johonny Aug 2016 #44
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