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In reply to the discussion: I am so utterly sick of this Third Way shit. [View all]
chervilant
(8,267 posts)432. hmm...
I'm not sure why you make the broad-brush suggestion that 'outraged' Obama supporters expect him to be 'some FDR.' I haven't seen much to support your assertion.
I know what I personally DIDN'T expect from Obama. Many of his missteps have exacerbated the global economic distress, but it's hard to predict how he might have been more effective in opposing the Corporate Megalomaniacs who've usurped our media, our politics and our global economy.
I try to focus on Obama's courage: to run for office after the vile and destructive Bush cabal was certainly impressive. But, I wish that his courage was more in evidence with regards to Afghanistan, Guantanamo, prosecuting war criminals, eliminating electronic voting machines, legalizing pot, equal rights, job creation, and reining in the "Just Say NO" Republicans (Tom Rall has a spot-on strip about this).
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It's: "I accept the 20 lashes because it is sooo much better than 40. Thank you master." nm
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#42
And what about dipshits who will fall over themselves to launch hate at Obama?
Scootaloo
Jun 2012
#230
It isn't so much that I disagree with them but that, as you explain, their posts
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#435
Looks like you incurred the longest swarm yet. But tread lightly. The Neighborhood Watch
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#360
No not that one, the Tea Party one that is obstructing everything and took America hostage.
FarLeftFist
Jun 2012
#12
Why, it only advances RW causes and fuels the fire for discouraging voter turnout for Obama.
FarLeftFist
Jun 2012
#23
Isn't it Hillary's State Department that does the nitty-gritty negotiations
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#228
I don't think Obama is left of the Clinton's. I also don't view the Clinton's themselves as being left
NCTraveler
Jun 2012
#243
Well...to be charitable...Obama had just never seen things the way many of us see them......
KoKo
Jun 2012
#292
Tough to hide behind the Congress skirt when they are cut out of the loop
TheKentuckian
Jun 2012
#103
Supreme court and abortion. That's all we've got left from "The Great Society".
Luminous Animal
Jun 2012
#39
What do you mean "also?" That's more than enough reason in and of itself.
TrollBuster9090
Jun 2012
#348
Yeah, yeah, we know. Every criticism is perceived as an attack on Obama,
woo me with science
Jun 2012
#16
I do not monitor the thoughts of individual voters at the polls and hadn't seen you post so I wasn't
TheKentuckian
Jun 2012
#225
My claim is that the dialog is fixed on personality. Internal thought may vary, observable reaction
TheKentuckian
Jun 2012
#449
There are no more pawns left on our side, they were taken out of the game early.
bahrbearian
Jun 2012
#216
This is nothing new. Anyone who thought Obama would be immune from it is kidding themselves.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#62
You are right. We should just accept it. Because voting is the only viable
Luminous Animal
Jun 2012
#74
We will get closer to what we want when we aim for what we want. Low expectation voters
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#128
Thank you for this post. And it is happening because, up to now, we too have gone along with the
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#99
Those are just talking points, intended to distract. You notice those who disseminate
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#131
You only get either no response or emails with no follow-up? How do the fund raisers overlook you?
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#169
"This agreement would reinstate important reforms like expansion of the program to cover
Dragonfli
Jun 2012
#223
Whatever he is, I have just five words: three more Supreme Court Justices.
TrollBuster9090
Jun 2012
#342
I've worked in the federal bureaucracy. We knew where the rules came from.
freedom fighter jh
Jun 2012
#147
The post you were responding to got hidden yesterday, yet the poster continued to post in this
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#384
Not sure. I also noted in another OP that the OP author rec'd his own OP.
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#430
If you click on the hidden post it wasn't hidden until the day after it was posted.
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#445
Help me dion. They're starting to become a blur. They've converted from "Third Way" to uber-libera
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#203
yes, watching stone DLCers "morph" into Kucinizens to cover for the poutrage is priceless...
dionysus
Jun 2012
#237
I think it's even worse than that. I think they're, somewhere, magically to the left of Chavez now.
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#241
do note however... some people really are just Naderites. the only reason you
dionysus
Jun 2012
#242
It really is that simple, isn't it? Mutual hatred for Bush united us, which is another reason I'll
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#249
I have plenty of nerve. And a lot more than just nasty snark which is all you post.
Autumn
Jun 2012
#206
Says the guy who supported Hillary, Queen of the DLC. Just too funny. Third Way?
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#29
Not looking for it, but I have a long memory. How's that "cleansing" coming?
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#34
You have an agenda Manny. Why don't you fess up, and let us all in on it. Frankly, I don't....
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#44
Don't know what's going on "downthread", but I think my questions were pretty clear?
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#65
You can't even take the time to read the clear refutation of your awful charge.
MannyGoldstein
Jun 2012
#78
I may have been wrong about Manny's primary support, but you're still in fuckin' Kentucky!
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#87
In case you didn't notice, we didn't have a primary. The incumbent is our candidate.
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#96
A lot of things are a "pale semblance" of my youth. Rotary phones, B&W teevee, whooping cough....
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#114
Not sure what Party you are in, the Democratic Party held primaries this year, I voted Obama.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2012
#184
I am blown away that someone would actually check that out and come to my defense
MannyGoldstein
Jun 2012
#59
Certainly not your experience on DU. I think DUers have been very clear about what exactly
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#124
You can think whatever you want, the only people with rose colored glasses on are still wearing them
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#248
Those are all valid reasons people push back against Obama for keeping campaign promises.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#316
"Obama Slammed Opponent McCain’s Offshore Drilling Plan as ‘Political Posturing'"
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#367
He evolved about a lot of things once he got the nomination. So what is your point?
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#374
My point is that he's been consistent and done everything he said he do within his power.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#377
I get the mandate - but what does that have to do with a public option?
MannyGoldstein
Jun 2012
#385
Yep, and they said "we'll try again next year." Of course, then we let the teabaggers win.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#393
Scott Brown was elected many months AFTER Obama agreed to drop the public option
MannyGoldstein
Jun 2012
#395
The Public Option was still alive Nov. 8th. 2009. Scott Brown got elected on Jan. 28, 2010.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#396
Ted Kennedy was on his death bed when that article was written. What are you saying?
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#400
So? In June of 2009, when Obama ceded a meaningful public option to Pharma and Hospitals in
MannyGoldstein
Jun 2012
#406
He didn't do that. He merely opened up the door for the possiblity of wrangling.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#408
Sen. Barack Obama explains his opposition to lifting the ban on off-shore drilling.
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#392
agreed..its because he had such an opportunity to be a hero when we needed one..and he chose
xiamiam
Jun 2012
#247
Not necessarily a liar, but it would've been easy to check before alleging it.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#72
Don't you think that attempting character assassination without checking the facts is pretty awful?
MannyGoldstein
Jun 2012
#77
Most people wouldn't make such a misinformed statement about another DUer, would they?
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#118
I don't know, I've been called quite a few things by people I felt were misinformed.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#121
No it's not a valid insult, it's just a plain old personal attack trying to distract from the real
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#126
No, never call people names, not even Bush, as I rely on facts more than stupid name-calling
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#336
So no name-calling, thank you. What you call 'boxing people in' is generally called stating
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#355
I'm not convinced you've ever convinced me I've been wrong about anything ever.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#357
I disagree, people learn when those who bring non-facts to the table are corrected.
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#373
Yes, more hateful insults to people's intelligence and reading comprehension coming from you.
Kaleko
Jun 2012
#480
I can't imagine anyone clicking that link and considering it "concealing one's true motives."
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#481
The poster got a post hidden yesterday, so theoretically he cant post here.
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#386
My, my. Just look at the contortions you're going through to cover for them, though. nt
Poll_Blind
Jun 2012
#117
China and Germany practice protectionism now. Yet they're being hailed for their success.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#37
Well of course they are. Both those governments have to care for their people as both are prone to
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2012
#46
I completely understand and sympathize. It's the classic Hobson's choice.
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2012
#41
Our government is supposed to work with checks and balances. Except for Sen Wyden (D-Ore.),
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#48
I vote for new OP, but I have an even worse ice cream headache for you, which is related:
Poll_Blind
Jun 2012
#69
Huh? I can't express my bemusement from the thousandth thread on these subjects?
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#111
I must remember that entertainment and amusement is the primary issue for some.
Bonobo
Jun 2012
#137
I'm familiar. It applies to states like the US as well as totalitarian states.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#145
I really don't know why you think the process of rightward drift is inevitable.
Bonobo
Jun 2012
#146
Until the democratic party is united, as opposed to effectively 3 parties in one...
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#148
Fair enough, you inaccurately blame the middle grounders, I blame the demographics.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#151
Americans Will Say They're Conservatives Untill You Ask Them About The Issues
raindaddy
Jun 2012
#189
We don't have to guess at where the American stand regarding issues. All polls taken without
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#290
That's right. We fought in courts, we fought on the ground, because the President wasn't...
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#354
Well now you are finally making MY point. The people must lead the way. You've been arguing
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#358
He didn't address your post. But I read it and couldn't agree more, you are absolutely correct
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#413
Let's hope they care enough not to remain silent and to push their elected officials
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#258
I'm pretty sure people stayed home because they were disillusioned by people...
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#310
What issue? The only people that see it as an issue are those who can afford iPads.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#420
This must be a strategy because Laurence O'Donnell did the exact same thing the other night
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#134
The Third Way is the slightly slower lane to the same destination the Repbublicans are headed for.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2012
#81
He doesn't need to send you a memo unless you are a member of Congress. He does need
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#136
No thread on corrupted US policy/elections is complete till the Canadian clown car shows up.
Hassin Bin Sober
Jun 2012
#194
hey Sid, need some extra clown white? you can write "Greewald/Manning 12" on your car windows
dionysus
Jun 2012
#240
He would probably want to spell it correctly. Spelling it "Greewald"would make him look idiotic.
Hassin Bin Sober
Jun 2012
#256
Well...maybe I shouldn't have asked "Sid" on this post. I do hope he will get back to me...
KoKo
Jun 2012
#333
oopsie. I didn't know a poster could be locked out of thread they didn't start....oh well.
KoKo
Jun 2012
#364
Saving this subthread for later. Want to REALLY digest the richness of the dialogue.
Romulox
Jun 2012
#190
Have you noticed? This is a "Third Way" website... nearly all vocal Lefties have been PPRed...
Romulox
Jun 2012
#191
true..there are still some of us who remain but its less interesting and less informative without
xiamiam
Jun 2012
#250
a new enforceable corporate global governance -- not a big deal, really.
nashville_brook
Jun 2012
#326
i love that you're "of the opinion" that the secret trade deal is "too boring" to pay attention to,
nashville_brook
Jun 2012
#426
The Third Way is a prime example of "The ends (getting elected) justifies the means".
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2012
#224
I hear what you're saying, Manny. Here's something that's been bothering me for a long time...
truth2power
Jun 2012
#232
That document doesn't exist, it's a figment of your hate filled imagination.
whatchamacallit
Jun 2012
#252
Read this as an answer on another Liberal website. It might help understand this news a little.
Theross
Jun 2012
#255
Exactly. I knew he wasn't a raging librul, but I did "hope" (barf)...
WorseBeforeBetter
Jun 2012
#283
this is EXACTLY how i feel too, Manny. this trade action is classic Clintonian fuckery
nashville_brook
Jun 2012
#293
Let me guess, you put the top dog and his # 1 buddy. But the enablers are still running
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#390
Except the controversial bit is "Revealing New Corporate Powers And Broken Campaign Promises."
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#479
Yeah, I failed hard there, I did NOT agree with their "modest" assessment, which is why I edited.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#492
Hero worship meets cognitive dissonance is the most charitable explanation I can give. nt
Romulox
Jun 2012
#493