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leftynyc

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61. They are free to leave when they reach

Wed Aug 24, 2016, 05:28 AM

Aug 2016

majority which is exactly the same as the Amish. So they get shunned? BFD. You know what I find horrifying? Women who get mutilated, women who are treated as virtual slaves to their male relatives, women who can't walk outside without a male relative, women who NEVER go to school at all, women who cannot vote, women who will get killed or acid thrown at them. You want to talk about THIS community, I'll be happy to tell you how disgusting I find their way of life. It's only when you want to compare them to Saudi Arabia that I put a stop to that madness.

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Ultra-Orthodox rabbis ban women from going to university [View all] n2doc Aug 2016 OP

Girls may be forbidden but the poor quality of secular education of both genders no_hypocrisy Aug 2016 #1

Maybe for some leftynyc Aug 2016 #6

I mean the specific sect referenced in the article. no_hypocrisy Aug 2016 #17

I looked up how many leftynyc Aug 2016 #19

This is the source of my information, a girl who grew up in the Satmar Community. no_hypocrisy Aug 2016 #36

Your source is ONE person? leftynyc Aug 2016 #58

Are Ultra Orthodox Yeshivas Providing Same Quality Education As Public Schools? KittyWampus Aug 2016 #77

more asshole fundies, I guess at least they aren't beheading people.... snooper2 Aug 2016 #2

That's the beauty of this country. A relatively small group COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #3

It's also a good thing people are free to criticize a group of people DLevine Aug 2016 #16

People criticize things all day long. COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #22

There's a relatively "small group" of Hasidic Jews that are wreaking havoc in phylny Aug 2016 #38

Maybe the government should look into some form COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #41

Ha ha. You are so funny! phylny Aug 2016 #43

I think New York should have a look at Pennsylvania jberryhill Aug 2016 #52

I agree. The difference is that the Amish live in agricultural society and have acres phylny Aug 2016 #64

Acres of land to create puppy mills... a la izquierda Aug 2016 #115

NY has a large Amish population as well belcffub Aug 2016 #117

No, actually there's nothing funny about your complaints/ COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #72

Thanks, I think many DU'ers are clueless as to what's happening w/ultra Orthodox community. KittyWampus Aug 2016 #80

We lived in Goshen until 2007 and were really not affected by it (except for the voting bloc), phylny Aug 2016 #110

The government SHOULD interfere with them waddirum Aug 2016 #54

Not how it works in the United States. COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #70

Actually, the ultra-orthodox community is into "breeding" like the Quiverfull bunch do... KittyWampus Aug 2016 #76

As is their right as American citizens to do. nt COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #81

And it's also the right of their neighbors and tax payers to have an opinion while KittyWampus Aug 2016 #85

Sure. If enough people are dissatisfied they can always COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #86

But at some point, extremely restrictions can become child abuse. Jerry442 Aug 2016 #4

Exactly. These Torah-thumpers need legal pushback on this. n/t backscatter712 Aug 2016 #9

Sincerely held religious beliefs. Iggo Aug 2016 #5

So don't respect it leftynyc Aug 2016 #7

No, they just push it on "their women" longship Aug 2016 #11

They're free to leave leftynyc Aug 2016 #14

Depends on what you mean by "free"... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #25

None of what you posted leftynyc Aug 2016 #29

You seem to disregard a lot of issues that occur within insular communities that... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #44

I'm not disregarding anything leftynyc Aug 2016 #59

You couldn't care less about the women who live in groups like this? Marr Aug 2016 #73

If they stay after their majority leftynyc Aug 2016 #74

Fair enough. Marr Aug 2016 #98

We are in complete agreement about that leftynyc Aug 2016 #106

And when will they prevent women from driving, ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2016 #8

Spare me the hyperbole leftynyc Aug 2016 #10

The hyperbole? It's in this article - last year, in north London muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #34

And that compares to leftynyc Aug 2016 #60

"Yeah but they're worse" isn't a defense for unacceptable treatment of women. n/t trotsky Aug 2016 #67

When you make a ridiculous comparison leftynyc Aug 2016 #69

I don't see it as an excuse for anything. trotsky Aug 2016 #79

Are you saying you don't see leftynyc Aug 2016 #82

I searched the thread for the words "chop" and "head" and the only one that had them was yours. trotsky Aug 2016 #83

Exactly, she's making up hyperbole where hardly any exists... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #87

Try posts leftynyc Aug 2016 #90

You didn't search shit leftynyc Aug 2016 #88

OK I tried those posts. trotsky Aug 2016 #97

Not to mention number 8 is amusing because they actually do forbid women from driving... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #103

This particular sect is only a little over 100 years old. Also, I like your assumption that... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #45

They are free to leave when they reach leftynyc Aug 2016 #61

So wait, this sect does treat their women like virtual slaves to men... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #92

Can slaves leave? leftynyc Aug 2016 #93

You do understand the difference between virtual and actual, right? Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #95

I said they're free to LEAVE leftynyc Aug 2016 #100

You keep harping on that, and I keep pointing out that, without assistance... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #108

The women in Kiryas Joel, (Satmar Hasidic) cannot drive, are restricted in their clothing, phylny Aug 2016 #39

When I lived in NW Chicago, ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2016 #40

The Hasidic sects were almost obliterated in the Shoah struggle4progress Aug 2016 #12

None. They're just easy targets for attack or ridicule. COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #23

Oh please, don't go down that hole, we should criticize misogynists... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #27

Don't hurt yourself COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #28

You know what, I do have the moral high ground here... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #50

You do have the high moral ground obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #63

NOBODY is defending their practices leftynyc Aug 2016 #65

Some people in this thread absolutely are obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #66

I don't think it's over the line at all leftynyc Aug 2016 #68

Has anyone argued that, you keep bringing up strawmen, do you have any actual arguments... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #89

Where am I defending them? leftynyc Aug 2016 #91

By keeping bringing up that their girls and women have freedom, minimizing the type of abuses... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #94

They're free to LEAVE leftynyc Aug 2016 #99

They are free to leave in the same way battered spouses are free to leave... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #101

Where have I expressed disgust? leftynyc Aug 2016 #105

Uhm, in that post you literally made a comparison to Saudi Arabia to say they weren't as bad... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #107

Now you're just leftynyc Aug 2016 #109

YES they are absolutely defending them kcr Aug 2016 #113

If you think you can leftynyc Aug 2016 #114

Keep telling yourself that and you may COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #71

See my post above. ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2016 #42

I'm perfectly willing to let people believe whatever nonsense they want to Warpy Aug 2016 #32

The point of ridiculing them is to make them feel bad, if they ever hear about it muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #33

Because their beliefs are misogynistic? Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #46

That many Hasidic sects treat women like dog shit? a la izquierda Aug 2016 #116

More old men terrified of smart women nt WhiteTara Aug 2016 #13

I remember, some years ago, reading an article... 3catwoman3 Aug 2016 #15

There are many sects leftynyc Aug 2016 #20

The group referred to is a very conservative group COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #24

I think there is a big difference between Orthodox and Ultra Orthodox. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2016 #112

fundamentalism of any stripe annabanana Aug 2016 #18

I agree. Just say no to religion. rockfordfile Aug 2016 #21

I have no quibble with a benign belief system. annabanana Aug 2016 #35

Almost as bad as fundie Islamics Calculating Aug 2016 #26

Not even close leftynyc Aug 2016 #30

Oh thank God, at last, a group I can let my inner anti-semitism out against! hunter Aug 2016 #31

I'm sorry, that's bullshit, while we should freely acknowledge problems within all communities.... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #47

I can criticize anyone. And I do. hunter Aug 2016 #48

Yeah, mostly harmless... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #49

I'm more afraid of the cops. hunter Aug 2016 #51

There's more reason to be afraid of cops, I would also suggest you stop projecting... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #53

When I criticize a certain limited group of atheists... hunter Aug 2016 #56

But what was the point of bringing it up in the first place.... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #57

I'm bringing this up because antisemitism is such a common thing. hunter Aug 2016 #75

Fucking cowards. NT Ilsa Aug 2016 #37

Satmars are ~3% of orthodox Jews 6chars Aug 2016 #55

They do deserve the scorn leftynyc Aug 2016 #62

Yeah, that's not happening, try again in minimizing misogyny and abuse. n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #96

Bullshit leftynyc Aug 2016 #102

Oh please, I didn't make such direct comparisons, so it doesn't even apply to me... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #104

I cannot say anything good about fundamentalism of any kind Cary Aug 2016 #78

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2016 #84

I'm surprised that DUers don't support the Satmars Mosby Aug 2016 #111