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leftyladyfrommo

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112. I think there is a big difference between Orthodox and Ultra Orthodox.

Thu Aug 25, 2016, 05:16 PM

Aug 2016

The Ultra Orthodox remind me a lot of the Old Order Amish. I respect their right to practice their religion but I really disagree with them.

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Ultra-Orthodox rabbis ban women from going to university [View all] n2doc Aug 2016 OP

Girls may be forbidden but the poor quality of secular education of both genders no_hypocrisy Aug 2016 #1

Maybe for some leftynyc Aug 2016 #6

I mean the specific sect referenced in the article. no_hypocrisy Aug 2016 #17

I looked up how many leftynyc Aug 2016 #19

This is the source of my information, a girl who grew up in the Satmar Community. no_hypocrisy Aug 2016 #36

Your source is ONE person? leftynyc Aug 2016 #58

Are Ultra Orthodox Yeshivas Providing Same Quality Education As Public Schools? KittyWampus Aug 2016 #77

more asshole fundies, I guess at least they aren't beheading people.... snooper2 Aug 2016 #2

That's the beauty of this country. A relatively small group COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #3

It's also a good thing people are free to criticize a group of people DLevine Aug 2016 #16

People criticize things all day long. COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #22

There's a relatively "small group" of Hasidic Jews that are wreaking havoc in phylny Aug 2016 #38

Maybe the government should look into some form COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #41

Ha ha. You are so funny! phylny Aug 2016 #43

I think New York should have a look at Pennsylvania jberryhill Aug 2016 #52

I agree. The difference is that the Amish live in agricultural society and have acres phylny Aug 2016 #64

Acres of land to create puppy mills... a la izquierda Aug 2016 #115

NY has a large Amish population as well belcffub Aug 2016 #117

No, actually there's nothing funny about your complaints/ COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #72

Thanks, I think many DU'ers are clueless as to what's happening w/ultra Orthodox community. KittyWampus Aug 2016 #80

We lived in Goshen until 2007 and were really not affected by it (except for the voting bloc), phylny Aug 2016 #110

The government SHOULD interfere with them waddirum Aug 2016 #54

Not how it works in the United States. COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #70

Actually, the ultra-orthodox community is into "breeding" like the Quiverfull bunch do... KittyWampus Aug 2016 #76

As is their right as American citizens to do. nt COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #81

And it's also the right of their neighbors and tax payers to have an opinion while KittyWampus Aug 2016 #85

Sure. If enough people are dissatisfied they can always COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #86

But at some point, extremely restrictions can become child abuse. Jerry442 Aug 2016 #4

Exactly. These Torah-thumpers need legal pushback on this. n/t backscatter712 Aug 2016 #9

Sincerely held religious beliefs. Iggo Aug 2016 #5

So don't respect it leftynyc Aug 2016 #7

No, they just push it on "their women" longship Aug 2016 #11

They're free to leave leftynyc Aug 2016 #14

Depends on what you mean by "free"... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #25

None of what you posted leftynyc Aug 2016 #29

You seem to disregard a lot of issues that occur within insular communities that... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #44

I'm not disregarding anything leftynyc Aug 2016 #59

You couldn't care less about the women who live in groups like this? Marr Aug 2016 #73

If they stay after their majority leftynyc Aug 2016 #74

Fair enough. Marr Aug 2016 #98

We are in complete agreement about that leftynyc Aug 2016 #106

And when will they prevent women from driving, ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2016 #8

Spare me the hyperbole leftynyc Aug 2016 #10

The hyperbole? It's in this article - last year, in north London muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #34

And that compares to leftynyc Aug 2016 #60

"Yeah but they're worse" isn't a defense for unacceptable treatment of women. n/t trotsky Aug 2016 #67

When you make a ridiculous comparison leftynyc Aug 2016 #69

I don't see it as an excuse for anything. trotsky Aug 2016 #79

Are you saying you don't see leftynyc Aug 2016 #82

I searched the thread for the words "chop" and "head" and the only one that had them was yours. trotsky Aug 2016 #83

Exactly, she's making up hyperbole where hardly any exists... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #87

Try posts leftynyc Aug 2016 #90

You didn't search shit leftynyc Aug 2016 #88

OK I tried those posts. trotsky Aug 2016 #97

Not to mention number 8 is amusing because they actually do forbid women from driving... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #103

This particular sect is only a little over 100 years old. Also, I like your assumption that... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #45

They are free to leave when they reach leftynyc Aug 2016 #61

So wait, this sect does treat their women like virtual slaves to men... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #92

Can slaves leave? leftynyc Aug 2016 #93

You do understand the difference between virtual and actual, right? Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #95

I said they're free to LEAVE leftynyc Aug 2016 #100

You keep harping on that, and I keep pointing out that, without assistance... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #108

The women in Kiryas Joel, (Satmar Hasidic) cannot drive, are restricted in their clothing, phylny Aug 2016 #39

When I lived in NW Chicago, ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2016 #40

The Hasidic sects were almost obliterated in the Shoah struggle4progress Aug 2016 #12

None. They're just easy targets for attack or ridicule. COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #23

Oh please, don't go down that hole, we should criticize misogynists... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #27

Don't hurt yourself COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #28

You know what, I do have the moral high ground here... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #50

You do have the high moral ground obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #63

NOBODY is defending their practices leftynyc Aug 2016 #65

Some people in this thread absolutely are obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #66

I don't think it's over the line at all leftynyc Aug 2016 #68

Has anyone argued that, you keep bringing up strawmen, do you have any actual arguments... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #89

Where am I defending them? leftynyc Aug 2016 #91

By keeping bringing up that their girls and women have freedom, minimizing the type of abuses... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #94

They're free to LEAVE leftynyc Aug 2016 #99

They are free to leave in the same way battered spouses are free to leave... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #101

Where have I expressed disgust? leftynyc Aug 2016 #105

Uhm, in that post you literally made a comparison to Saudi Arabia to say they weren't as bad... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #107

Now you're just leftynyc Aug 2016 #109

YES they are absolutely defending them kcr Aug 2016 #113

If you think you can leftynyc Aug 2016 #114

Keep telling yourself that and you may COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #71

See my post above. ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2016 #42

I'm perfectly willing to let people believe whatever nonsense they want to Warpy Aug 2016 #32

The point of ridiculing them is to make them feel bad, if they ever hear about it muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #33

Because their beliefs are misogynistic? Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #46

That many Hasidic sects treat women like dog shit? a la izquierda Aug 2016 #116

More old men terrified of smart women nt WhiteTara Aug 2016 #13

I remember, some years ago, reading an article... 3catwoman3 Aug 2016 #15

There are many sects leftynyc Aug 2016 #20

The group referred to is a very conservative group COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #24

I think there is a big difference between Orthodox and Ultra Orthodox. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2016 #112

fundamentalism of any stripe annabanana Aug 2016 #18

I agree. Just say no to religion. rockfordfile Aug 2016 #21

I have no quibble with a benign belief system. annabanana Aug 2016 #35

Almost as bad as fundie Islamics Calculating Aug 2016 #26

Not even close leftynyc Aug 2016 #30

Oh thank God, at last, a group I can let my inner anti-semitism out against! hunter Aug 2016 #31

I'm sorry, that's bullshit, while we should freely acknowledge problems within all communities.... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #47

I can criticize anyone. And I do. hunter Aug 2016 #48

Yeah, mostly harmless... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #49

I'm more afraid of the cops. hunter Aug 2016 #51

There's more reason to be afraid of cops, I would also suggest you stop projecting... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #53

When I criticize a certain limited group of atheists... hunter Aug 2016 #56

But what was the point of bringing it up in the first place.... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #57

I'm bringing this up because antisemitism is such a common thing. hunter Aug 2016 #75

Fucking cowards. NT Ilsa Aug 2016 #37

Satmars are ~3% of orthodox Jews 6chars Aug 2016 #55

They do deserve the scorn leftynyc Aug 2016 #62

Yeah, that's not happening, try again in minimizing misogyny and abuse. n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #96

Bullshit leftynyc Aug 2016 #102

Oh please, I didn't make such direct comparisons, so it doesn't even apply to me... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #104

I cannot say anything good about fundamentalism of any kind Cary Aug 2016 #78

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2016 #84

I'm surprised that DUers don't support the Satmars Mosby Aug 2016 #111