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77. Children of gun instructor killed by 9-year-old at range launch campaign

Thu Aug 25, 2016, 09:43 PM

Aug 2016

By DON DAHLER CBS NEWS August 25, 2015, 7:10 PM

... On Tuesday, the instructor's children launched a national campaign to convince lawmakers to set an age limit for the use of automatic weapons ...

"Laws say that children can't drink, can't drive, can't vote. But they can shoot fully automatic assault weapons," Ellie says in the video.

"If you look at the vast majority of states, they don't have any regulation whatsoever," said the family's attorney Marc Lamber ...

The gun range where Vacca was killed still allows children to fire machine guns.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/children-of-gun-instructor-charles-vacca-killed-by-9-year-old-launch-national-petition/

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Sorry for your loss, but no one else is responsible. [View all] 63splitwindow Aug 2016 OP

Good God. They are blaming the child and her family? Ilsa Aug 2016 #1

I blame the parents as well. MrScorpio Aug 2016 #3

Even if the range didn't have a specific age requirement skepticscott Aug 2016 #14

I can dig that. nt MrScorpio Aug 2016 #15

I think the instructor's family is suing the gun-range's owners LanternWaste Aug 2016 #6

you're right shireen Aug 2016 #24

The children's letter is a very nice sentiment, and were I in the place of the shooter LanternWaste Aug 2016 #66

Why everyone? I grew up hunting and living on a ranch with over 500 head of cattle Drahthaardogs Aug 2016 #67

No they aren't Egnever Aug 2016 #42

If only the idiot instructor had been armed... Orrex Aug 2016 #2

Now THAT was funny! Thank you! Unrepentant Fenian Aug 2016 #4

Once again, the media calls a gun death an "accident" skepticscott Aug 2016 #5

I'd say the 9 year old girl was a victim, too. bluedigger Aug 2016 #11

I agree. The lawsuit will keeps her wounds wide open also. 63splitwindow Aug 2016 #12

At least she's alive skepticscott Aug 2016 #16

it is interesting that OHSA is investigating this as an "Industrial Accident". uncle ray Aug 2016 #18

"it only took one guy who had a air nozzle shoved up his rectum for OHSA to regulate air nozzles... 63splitwindow Aug 2016 #20

Yeah, but when some dad in Nebraska eats his adult son's pot brownies and swears at the cat Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #53

I think accident is most accurate. LanternWaste Aug 2016 #65

Sorry, flawed and shitty definition skepticscott Aug 2016 #74

the range owners were undoubtedly negligent... mike_c Aug 2016 #7

Is there actually a "safe" position other than far away if a 9-year-old has an Uzi on automatic? n/t xocet Aug 2016 #22

The instructor's survivors are suing the shooting range and its owners gratuitous Aug 2016 #8

So she had been fantasizing for 9 years about firing an Uzi and not a six shooter, per se? LonePirate Aug 2016 #23

Yay, guns! hunter Aug 2016 #9

gun humpers never take responsibility Skittles Aug 2016 #10

Isn't an Uzi really hard for a grown man to handle? AngryAmish Aug 2016 #13

I have a friend 14yr marine vet with two tours in Iraq who will agree with you. ileus Aug 2016 #19

its size prevents it from having a decent recoil spring to Exilednight Aug 2016 #38

Awful accident but the instructor was at fault. ileus Aug 2016 #17

The instructor was the professional at the shooting range PJMcK Aug 2016 #21

Realistic? Not even a little bit!! Flyboy_451 Aug 2016 #25

Of course, you're correct, Flyboy PJMcK Aug 2016 #30

The first paragraph was in response to Flyboy_451 Aug 2016 #35

That's it right there, it might not be pretty but it is the truth. Rex Aug 2016 #73

There is SO-O-O-O-O-O much of The Stupid in this incident OldRedneck Aug 2016 #26

Made me look Egnever Aug 2016 #43

Killing. It's what guns are designed to do, so why be surprised when they do what they do? n/t Binkie The Clown Aug 2016 #27

For the win HERVEPA Aug 2016 #29

^^^ Yet all the gunners above --after telling us of their vast experience playing with lethal Hoyt Aug 2016 #32

Which gunners would that be, Hoyt? Have the courage of your convictions and point them out. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #46

LOL, like you don't recognize fellow gungeoneers and their usual gun defense posts. Hoyt Aug 2016 #49

Can we say 'prevarication' and 'evidence-free slurs'? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #56

If no one is responsible forgotmylogin Aug 2016 #28

Guns are tools some use to kill people. The thread title, though, says no one ELSE is responsible. 63splitwindow Aug 2016 #31

Daddy, introducing his daughter to lethal weapons, is to blame as well. Hoyt Aug 2016 #33

Are you saying the instructor's family SHOULD be entitled to money damages from girl's Dad? 63splitwindow Aug 2016 #34

I don't care about damages, the gun fanciers in this story are to blame. If I were on jury, Hoyt Aug 2016 #36

Awarding it to family of the instructor? Do you not see him PRIMARILY at fault for his death? 63splitwindow Aug 2016 #39

Both at fault, but he's dead. This dad and the next dad need to think about the consequences of Hoyt Aug 2016 #41

Their kids might enjoy it and get good at it? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #45

Good at what, shooting silhouette targets. What does that prepare them for, joining the local Hoyt Aug 2016 #50

Or training for self-defense. Do you prefer inaccuracy while shooting? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #57

Dad and little girl were shooting targets resembling people AT A DISTANCE, not self-defense scenario Hoyt Aug 2016 #60

Spare us your hypocrisy-you've defended shooting teenagers running away in the back... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #61

Ole ARMED Sammy, son of racist Randy Weaver, had just shot at fed Marshal who was killed. Hoyt Aug 2016 #62

How far where they shooting? Figure 9yrs old with an auto ain't gonna be too accurate at distance. n jmg257 Aug 2016 #64

Well, you are supposedly a gun expert, what does this look like to you. Not self-defense scenario. Hoyt Aug 2016 #68

Definitely looks a bit far to expect her to hit anything specific - that seems like 50 yrds or so. jmg257 Aug 2016 #71

Their new minimum age to shoot full auto is 12 years old. What could go wrong? 63splitwindow Aug 2016 #37

The same thing that could wrong when frat kids are allowed Exilednight Aug 2016 #40

"I'm waiting for the first one of those stories." I've been waiting for five years. So far, nada: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #44

No, that doesn't cover it. Exilednight Aug 2016 #51

So ten-plus years of nothing happening isn't enough empirical evidence for you? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #55

it hasn't been ten plus years. you pull up some thread from Exilednight Aug 2016 #58

There's so much wrong there, it begs for a fisking. Here goes: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #59

People have committed suicide on lots of campuses... jmg257 Aug 2016 #63

Guns actually account for the most suicides on campus. Exilednight Aug 2016 #78

Since they are one of the top 2 schools re:suicide rates, its not surprising they did a study. jmg257 Aug 2016 #79

If I was the 9 yr old girl I would blame my parents for bringing me there later in life because wtf Person 2713 Aug 2016 #47

Actually she could. Has a couple of years AFTER attaining adult age (18 most states) to do so. 63splitwindow Aug 2016 #48

May as well sue the shooter... Sancho Aug 2016 #52

Exactly. They advertise their guns as killing machines, aphrodisiacs, or whatever. But can't sue em. Hoyt Aug 2016 #69

Gun nut vs. gun nut. Perfect. Vinca Aug 2016 #54

Laughed out loud at title. Sounds like Michael Moore movie, and sad commentary on our society. Hoyt Aug 2016 #70

If only they had gone to a park that day and had a picnic together. Rex Aug 2016 #72

A result of systematic brainwashing of our young kwolf68 Aug 2016 #75

The Charles Vacca Memorial Award for Memorable Firearms Safety Instruction struggle4progress Aug 2016 #76

Children of gun instructor killed by 9-year-old at range launch campaign struggle4progress Aug 2016 #77