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mike_c

(37,051 posts)
24. use a cat flap....
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 11:01 PM
Aug 2016

Then cats can go to the bathroom wherever they want. We use a flap, and have several litter boxes as well.

No evidence

Despite the large numbers of birds killed, there is no scientific evidence that predation by cats in gardens is having any impact on bird populations UK-wide. This may be surprising, but many millions of birds die naturally every year, mainly through starvation, disease, or other forms of predation. There is evidence that cats tend to take weak or sickly birds.

We also know that of the millions of baby birds hatched each year, most will die before they reach breeding age. This is also quite natural, and each pair needs only to rear two young that survive to breeding age to replace themselves and maintain the population.

It is likely that most of the birds killed by cats would have died anyway from other causes before the next breeding season, so cats are unlikely to have a major impact on populations. If their predation was additional to these other causes of mortality, this might have a serious impact on bird populations.

Those bird species that have undergone the most serious population declines in the UK (such as skylarks, tree sparrows and corn buntings) rarely encounter cats, so cats cannot be causing their declines. Research shows that these declines are usually caused by habitat change or loss, particularly on farmland.

more@link

http://www.rspb.org.uk/makeahomeforwildlife/advice/gardening/unwantedvisitors/cats/birddeclines.aspx (Royal Society for the Protection of Birds)


And please stop putting words in peoples mouths. If I meant to say "Let the cats kill as many birds as they want because birds are also dying of other causes" I would have said that. Instead, I said that against the natural background mortality of birds, cat predation has little or no effect on bird populations.

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!!! sarae Aug 2016 #1
I agree Feral cats have to live a really terrible life. If the book is what you say or you are EV_Ares Aug 2016 #2
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so all those dead birds were not "sentient beings" who hads no "emotional lives"? nt msongs Aug 2016 #4
Good. All cats are evil. Glassunion Aug 2016 #5
Good idea but people will react like you have. FLPanhandle Aug 2016 #6
when someone comes out w a level headed evaluation mopinko Aug 2016 #7
I'm with you! hamsterjill Sep 2016 #38
I'm all for keeping domesticated kitties indoors Warpy Aug 2016 #8
Great points! get the red out Aug 2016 #10
Some cats Egnever Sep 2016 #30
Istanbul knows how to treat street cats---they are loved and cared for. virgogal Aug 2016 #9
Istanbul has a long memory Warpy Aug 2016 #14
This subthread is useless without pictures KamaAina Aug 2016 #18
Thank you! Warpy Aug 2016 #20
De nada. KamaAina Aug 2016 #21
Cats are a drop in the ocean comparted to human impact. KittyWampus Aug 2016 #11
I'm a professional ecologist with nearly 25 years experience in post-doctoral academic science... mike_c Aug 2016 #12
Let the cats kill as many birds as they want because birds are also dying of other causes? Doremus Aug 2016 #16
Totally agree GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #19
use a cat flap.... mike_c Aug 2016 #24
Birds are prey of opportunity, not of choice - rodents are their primary prey REP Sep 2016 #29
University of Georgia and National Geographic disagree with you. Doremus Sep 2016 #32
I grew up in New Zealand, and the ecologists there would disagree with you FLPanhandle Aug 2016 #17
in New Zealand I would disagree with me.... mike_c Aug 2016 #23
Feral Cats Kill Billions of Small Critters Each Year Botany Sep 2016 #31
Cats need to stay inside. And I say that as a cat lover, owner of 2 nt Doremus Aug 2016 #13
When you take in stray (not feral) cats, it is almost... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #15
No more so than a 2yr old -- you wouldn't let your child go play in traffic would you? Doremus Sep 2016 #33
Cats know how to handle themselves on a level far advanced than a toddler ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2016 #40
Outdoor Cats Blamed in Otter Deaths hunter Aug 2016 #22
Wait...so humans, made some sort of preference on the value of life flvegan Sep 2016 #25
Whether or not the poster eats meat is irrevelant to the fact that it's wrong to let cats roam. Doremus Sep 2016 #34
I have often wondered how vegans relate to cats. KamaAina Sep 2016 #36
I can't speak for all vegans but I can tell you about myself and how I relate to cats Doremus Sep 2016 #39
We get along okay except the cat who keeps digging her claws in my tits. LeftyMom Sep 2016 #43
I was wondering more about how you felt about feeding them meat. KamaAina Sep 2016 #44
I'd reread the response. flvegan Sep 2016 #48
we took one 1 homeless cat off the street MFM008 Sep 2016 #26
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Cruel and unworkable tapper Sep 2016 #37
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I absolutely agree TransitJohn Sep 2016 #42
Cat licensing and leash laws are less common than those for dogs. KamaAina Sep 2016 #46
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I'm all for TNR TexasBushwhacker Sep 2016 #45
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