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whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
1. What's the current sentence?
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 12:46 PM
Sep 2016

Reasonable people regardless of their RKBA stance can surely agree violent crime with guns is the real problem. It's the morons pulling the trigger, or letting kids get hold of the trigger, who we need to stop. Let's work on that then see how bad things are with just hunters and target shooters and hobbyists.

So let's expand on that a bit, forgetting for the moment the question of firearm illegality (are we talking a weapon illegal per se in civilian hands, one held by a proscripted felon, or a juvenile, etc?) and just say yes possession of a gun where it is illegal = meaningful minimum sentence. I think there are grounds for that mystical constitutional "compromise" out there somewhere.

Let's add a lifetime firearm ban, at least for repeat offenders.

Now let's talk aggravated penalties, some of which I think already have some currency:
- commit a violent crime with a gun on you, even not in use or even display? Double sentence and lifetime ban - violent people shouldn't have guns.
- commit a nonviolent but serious crime (by class, penalty etc is for the lawyers to define, but I'm looking at burglary, significant thefts, blackmail, etc - anything where violence could be reasonably anticipated) with a gun on you? 50% added to sentence plus confiscation of firearm.
-commit a lesser non-traffic crime with a gun on you? 25% added to sentence/fine. Confiscation for repeat offender

Not take reasonable precaution to keep a gun in your control that is later stolen and misused or has a negligent discharge? Lifetime ban. Everybody can be robbed/overpowered etc so this must have a reasonable person standard. No not all guns need to be disassembled in tungsten vaults, which makes them useless for self defense, but if you stick one in your waistband in condition 0 instead of a decent retention holster in condition 2, or leave it on a picnic table instead of strapped to you or locked in the trunk, and it falls to the ground or gets picked up by a kid, then no guns for you. Guns not actively carried or to hand during the night for immediate defensive purposes belong unloaded in a decent safe.

ETA - I forgot. Violating these hypothetical lifetime bans, see initial OP

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What's the current sentence? whatthehey Sep 2016 #1
100%. nt clarice Sep 2016 #6
They say that there are more gang members than police in Chicago, guns come from outside of Illinois Stellar Sep 2016 #29
Illinois tried to boost mandatory minimums a few years ago for illegal gun possession. Ace Rothstein Sep 2016 #2
The NRA I can almost understand....but AA Legislators ??? I don't get it. nt clarice Sep 2016 #7
Because it's not likely the law would be applied justly. hunter Sep 2016 #9
I hear you, but what is the alternative? Sitting on our hands while innocent people are... clarice Sep 2016 #10
Take a look at this story: Dr. Strange Sep 2016 #12
I'm all for sentence enhancements for illegal use of firearms Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #3
I'm not sure.... I would THINK.. clarice Sep 2016 #8
Crap like this doesn't help Heeeeers Johnny Sep 2016 #4
Terrible. nt clarice Sep 2016 #5
Surely other posters have opinions on this issue...????? 420 views and 6 responses? Seems odd.nt clarice Sep 2016 #11
it doesn't fit the narrative. (no text) Quantess Sep 2016 #13
Oh...sorry. lol clarice Sep 2016 #14
A real laugh riot, right? alcibiades_mystery Sep 2016 #17
Pardon me? nt clarice Sep 2016 #22
Do you have any constructive comment to add? Quantess Sep 2016 #24
Bingo. nt cwydro Sep 2016 #19
Oh another one of these---callout of DUers. Kingofalldems Sep 2016 #26
And another pintobean Sep 2016 #30
Another what? Kingofalldems Sep 2016 #31
Great idea, but... MicaelS Sep 2016 #15
All good ideas M. Thanks for your input.nt clarice Sep 2016 #16
You're welcome. n/t MicaelS Sep 2016 #18
$2 billion additional funding for ATF to trace every confiscated gun back to manufacturing alcibiades_mystery Sep 2016 #20
+ 100 million. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2016 #21
100%... didn't the Gov. just collect 17 billion from bank fines? Why couldn't we use some of that? clarice Sep 2016 #23
Thats guaranteed to fail. beevul Sep 2016 #25
Guns coming in from Indiana? Jade Fox Sep 2016 #27
Who ??????? n t clarice Sep 2016 #28
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