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Egnever

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24. Not very honest

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 04:38 PM

Sep 2016

"Outside my home state, I can't buy a firearm from a non-dealer without having it shipped to a licensed dealer in my home state."

That is intentionally misleading.

It is trivial to buy a gun in most states in the union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state

And the only one making you ship it is your own honesty. It would be trivial to go to another state say mine Nevada and purchase any damn gun you wanted and bring it home.

The vast majority of states don't have anything close to the restrictions you mention. If they did you might have a valid argument as it is you are choosing as an example probably the most restrictive state laws in the whole country and certainly not the norm in the US.

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11 facts about gun violence in the United States [View all] yallerdawg Sep 2016 OP

America First in Murders is OK with gunners, as long as they can arm up and tote in public. Hoyt Sep 2016 #1

"America First in Murders is OK with gunners..." EX500rider Sep 2016 #35

We are talking gunz here. Your support of the dang things is obvious. Hoyt Sep 2016 #95

But they're just thugs, right? Matrosov Sep 2016 #2

"You just can't take the effect, and make it the cause." yallerdawg Sep 2016 #7

Fact 12: My neighbor just grabbed his dad's gun after an argument and killed himself AllyCat Sep 2016 #3

ugh Egnever Sep 2016 #8

I don't know your definition of "good" ... Straw Man Sep 2016 #18

Absolutely subjective Egnever Sep 2016 #21

So ... Straw Man Sep 2016 #23

You think the chances of someone dying from a round house are equal to the chances of a gun? Egnever Sep 2016 #25

No. Did I say that? Straw Man Sep 2016 #26

We have the right to frees speech but it does not give the right to Thinkingabout Sep 2016 #28

Exactly. Straw Man Sep 2016 #31

Comparatively absolutely Egnever Sep 2016 #33

C'mon now. Straw Man Sep 2016 #38

You nailed it right here Egnever Sep 2016 #71

No, you cannot... deathrind Sep 2016 #94

What's silly about adhering to the law? Straw Man Sep 2016 #99

Which is it? Egnever Sep 2016 #102

Which is what? Straw Man Sep 2016 #105

limiting the behavior of everyone but the criminal Egnever Sep 2016 #107

Exactly. Straw Man Sep 2016 #109

Dont know where you are getting I am preemptively taking rights away from people Egnever Sep 2016 #111

From you. Straw Man Sep 2016 #113

You keep repeating things as if that makes them different Egnever Sep 2016 #114

They're not trying to kill each other jack_krass Sep 2016 #46

+1,000 n/t malaise Sep 2016 #59

Cue gun apologists to defend their cult and blame the 'urban' factor. nt onehandle Sep 2016 #4

See post 6 below. You were right!! AllyCat Sep 2016 #63

A favorite saying among gun rights people is that we always claim that 'blood will run in the flamin lib Sep 2016 #5

Nonsense hack89 Sep 2016 #6

+1 forthemiddle Sep 2016 #11

Why don't we do what we say we are going to do? yallerdawg Sep 2016 #19

Only disagree with two of them hack89 Sep 2016 #42

I definitely don't agree with... yallerdawg Sep 2016 #45

Fortunately you are on the wrong side of the law and public opinion hack89 Sep 2016 #52

Depends entirely on who wins this election... yallerdawg Sep 2016 #55

Hillary will be good for gun owners - just like Obama hack89 Sep 2016 #56

Good! yallerdawg Sep 2016 #57

I agree with most of them hack89 Sep 2016 #61

From wiki: yallerdawg Sep 2016 #62

It is a state issue hack89 Sep 2016 #65

Those deaths are on your hands, toters. mwrguy Sep 2016 #9

30K traffic deaths per year Angel Martin Sep 2016 #10

False comparison. Except for the fact that auto makers killed the streetcars in the USA. JanMichael Sep 2016 #12

My car is insured. I'm required to pass a test to use it. Every year, I pay to register it with the LanternWaste Sep 2016 #14

Want to take the analogy all the way? Straw Man Sep 2016 #20

Not very honest Egnever Sep 2016 #24

I beg your pardon? Straw Man Sep 2016 #29

Pretty simple Egnever Sep 2016 #36

And the truth comes out. Straw Man Sep 2016 #39

but, but, but... Angel Martin Sep 2016 #40

I don't know who they are Egnever Sep 2016 #69

That's their common sense restriction Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #73

No that is what would do it effectively Egnever Sep 2016 #81

So you admit Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #84

nope can't admit that Egnever Sep 2016 #87

Nope to a database Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #88

We shall see Egnever Sep 2016 #90

Yes, we shall. Straw Man Sep 2016 #96

It would make me happy Egnever Sep 2016 #98

So ... Straw Man Sep 2016 #101

Not a bit Egnever Sep 2016 #104

"Nobody wants to take your guns" Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #72

He asked what would guarentee adherence Egnever Sep 2016 #80

Weapons are not a free for all Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #83

none of which can be in a database that traces ownership Egnever Sep 2016 #85

Records are kept for all new weapons sales Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #86

Yea thats a good story. Egnever Sep 2016 #89

Do tell. Straw Man Sep 2016 #97

Your ridiculous comparisons are entertaining I will give you that. Egnever Sep 2016 #100

You still haven't told us what registration will achieve. Straw Man Sep 2016 #103

I have said many times what it would acheive Egnever Sep 2016 #106

No, you haven't. Straw Man Sep 2016 #108

Just as everyone is not capable of operating a vehicle, likewise not everyone is Thinkingabout Sep 2016 #30

I wouldn't argue with that. Straw Man Sep 2016 #34

Yep, back in the day Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #75

False. beevul Sep 2016 #66

Pesky facts again Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #76

OMG Skittles Sep 2016 #27

As are you. oneshooter Sep 2016 #91

I also drink beer - are drunk driving deaths my responsibility too? hack89 Sep 2016 #13

Is beer designed soley to kill? mwrguy Sep 2016 #16

Designed solely to intoxicate. Plays a major role in addiction, violence and sexual assault. hack89 Sep 2016 #17

I would argue that alcohol has a much greater negative impact on society TheHound Sep 2016 #41

No. Straw Man Sep 2016 #22

Is there a good purpose for alcohol? Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #77

Any other groups you'd like to blame as a whole for the actions of individual members? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #58

No, just gun humpers and their enablers in the NRA mwrguy Sep 2016 #68

Do you believe some sort of collective punishment would be in order for the 'responsible' groups? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #112

The United States sheshe2 Sep 2016 #15

To you. former9thward Sep 2016 #32

The US is ranked 108th in homicide rates....are the other 107 countries more of a embarrassment? EX500rider Sep 2016 #37

Homicide rates, not Homicide by Firearm. maxsolomon Sep 2016 #47

Oh, are you more dead some how by firearms then other means? EX500rider Sep 2016 #48

topic of the thread is homicides by firearm maxsolomon Sep 2016 #49

Still if the overall rate is 3.9 the firearm rate is less then that... EX500rider Sep 2016 #51

My chart is overall firearm deaths/100,000 maxsolomon Sep 2016 #53

Thread end right there Egnever Sep 2016 #70

I agree with you. yallerdawg Sep 2016 #54

Piss on guns. hunter Sep 2016 #43

Many fetishes are nasty TheHound Sep 2016 #44

Do you have guns? hunter Sep 2016 #50

And *there* is the problem with approaches like yours: "In my own experience..." friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #60

Tell me your own experience then. hunter Sep 2016 #64

A fairly normal existence Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #79

Sure, shooting guns is fun... hunter Sep 2016 #93

It's the question you asked Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #115

No one's experiences are universal friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #110

I've never shot an animal TheHound Sep 2016 #67

I have dogs, all rescue dogs. They eat meat and meat by-products I buy in big bags at Costco. hunter Sep 2016 #92

Out of every million people, 30 are murdered by a gun? The2ndWheel Sep 2016 #74

Where we are now. yallerdawg Sep 2016 #78

I'm not saying it's a good number The2ndWheel Sep 2016 #82

Locking Chemisse Sep 2016 #116