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Straw Man

(6,943 posts)
103. You still haven't told us what registration will achieve.
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 02:50 AM
Sep 2016
If your gun is stolen you report it. Immediately or as soon as you have knowledge of it. You are a responsible gun owner are you not? Why is that magic?

Yes -- I'd report it even if it weren't registered. But how does registration help? My long guns don't have to be registered, but I'll give the police the serial numbers when I make the report, in order to possibly get the guns back if they are recovered. But I won't hold my breath waiting, because the likelihood is low. The fact that the gun is registered will do nothing to help recover it.

Guns that are in your possession that are not registered to you are confiscated period end of story.

If someone is in possession of a stolen gun, a check of the serial numbers will reveal that fact. This doesn't require registration; it simply requires that victims of gun theft notify the police of the serial numbers of the stolen guns. If the person holding the gun is a felon or other prohibited person, that person goes to jail regardless of the provenance of the gun, registered or not. Those are the only two situations in which confiscation would serve the interest of public safety, and neither one requires registration.

Yup I am going to want a full ban on things like automatic weapons or high capacity clips.

Automatic firearms are already tightly controlled at the federal level. What constitutes "high capacity," in your opinion? I'll bet it's a different number than the one I have in mind.

I also like what california is trying to do with the micro stamps on casings.

Ah, microstamping. Guess what? It doesn't work on revolvers, which would instantly become more popular with criminals. It can be easily defeated with simple hand tools. It would encourage criminals to pick up empty brass off the ground at gun ranges and strew it around their crime scenes, giving police dozens of red herrings to follow in their efforts to solve crimes. And in cases where brass found at a crime scene is traceable, it will often simply lead back to the last legal owner, i.e. the person who the gun was stolen from.

Keep 'em coming ...

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"America First in Murders is OK with gunners..." EX500rider Sep 2016 #35
We are talking gunz here. Your support of the dang things is obvious. Hoyt Sep 2016 #95
But they're just thugs, right? Matrosov Sep 2016 #2
"You just can't take the effect, and make it the cause." yallerdawg Sep 2016 #7
Fact 12: My neighbor just grabbed his dad's gun after an argument and killed himself AllyCat Sep 2016 #3
ugh Egnever Sep 2016 #8
I don't know your definition of "good" ... Straw Man Sep 2016 #18
Absolutely subjective Egnever Sep 2016 #21
So ... Straw Man Sep 2016 #23
You think the chances of someone dying from a round house are equal to the chances of a gun? Egnever Sep 2016 #25
No. Did I say that? Straw Man Sep 2016 #26
We have the right to frees speech but it does not give the right to Thinkingabout Sep 2016 #28
Exactly. Straw Man Sep 2016 #31
Comparatively absolutely Egnever Sep 2016 #33
C'mon now. Straw Man Sep 2016 #38
You nailed it right here Egnever Sep 2016 #71
No, you cannot... deathrind Sep 2016 #94
What's silly about adhering to the law? Straw Man Sep 2016 #99
Which is it? Egnever Sep 2016 #102
Which is what? Straw Man Sep 2016 #105
limiting the behavior of everyone but the criminal Egnever Sep 2016 #107
Exactly. Straw Man Sep 2016 #109
Dont know where you are getting I am preemptively taking rights away from people Egnever Sep 2016 #111
From you. Straw Man Sep 2016 #113
You keep repeating things as if that makes them different Egnever Sep 2016 #114
They're not trying to kill each other jack_krass Sep 2016 #46
+1,000 n/t malaise Sep 2016 #59
Cue gun apologists to defend their cult and blame the 'urban' factor. nt onehandle Sep 2016 #4
See post 6 below. You were right!! AllyCat Sep 2016 #63
A favorite saying among gun rights people is that we always claim that 'blood will run in the flamin lib Sep 2016 #5
Nonsense hack89 Sep 2016 #6
+1 forthemiddle Sep 2016 #11
Why don't we do what we say we are going to do? yallerdawg Sep 2016 #19
Only disagree with two of them hack89 Sep 2016 #42
I definitely don't agree with... yallerdawg Sep 2016 #45
Fortunately you are on the wrong side of the law and public opinion hack89 Sep 2016 #52
Depends entirely on who wins this election... yallerdawg Sep 2016 #55
Hillary will be good for gun owners - just like Obama hack89 Sep 2016 #56
Good! yallerdawg Sep 2016 #57
I agree with most of them hack89 Sep 2016 #61
From wiki: yallerdawg Sep 2016 #62
It is a state issue hack89 Sep 2016 #65
Those deaths are on your hands, toters. mwrguy Sep 2016 #9
30K traffic deaths per year Angel Martin Sep 2016 #10
False comparison. Except for the fact that auto makers killed the streetcars in the USA. JanMichael Sep 2016 #12
My car is insured. I'm required to pass a test to use it. Every year, I pay to register it with the LanternWaste Sep 2016 #14
Want to take the analogy all the way? Straw Man Sep 2016 #20
Not very honest Egnever Sep 2016 #24
I beg your pardon? Straw Man Sep 2016 #29
Pretty simple Egnever Sep 2016 #36
And the truth comes out. Straw Man Sep 2016 #39
but, but, but... Angel Martin Sep 2016 #40
I don't know who they are Egnever Sep 2016 #69
That's their common sense restriction Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #73
No that is what would do it effectively Egnever Sep 2016 #81
So you admit Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #84
nope can't admit that Egnever Sep 2016 #87
Nope to a database Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #88
We shall see Egnever Sep 2016 #90
Yes, we shall. Straw Man Sep 2016 #96
It would make me happy Egnever Sep 2016 #98
So ... Straw Man Sep 2016 #101
Not a bit Egnever Sep 2016 #104
"Nobody wants to take your guns" Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #72
He asked what would guarentee adherence Egnever Sep 2016 #80
Weapons are not a free for all Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #83
none of which can be in a database that traces ownership Egnever Sep 2016 #85
Records are kept for all new weapons sales Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #86
Yea thats a good story. Egnever Sep 2016 #89
Do tell. Straw Man Sep 2016 #97
Your ridiculous comparisons are entertaining I will give you that. Egnever Sep 2016 #100
You still haven't told us what registration will achieve. Straw Man Sep 2016 #103
I have said many times what it would acheive Egnever Sep 2016 #106
No, you haven't. Straw Man Sep 2016 #108
Just as everyone is not capable of operating a vehicle, likewise not everyone is Thinkingabout Sep 2016 #30
I wouldn't argue with that. Straw Man Sep 2016 #34
Yep, back in the day Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #75
False. beevul Sep 2016 #66
Pesky facts again Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #76
OMG Skittles Sep 2016 #27
As are you. oneshooter Sep 2016 #91
I also drink beer - are drunk driving deaths my responsibility too? hack89 Sep 2016 #13
Is beer designed soley to kill? mwrguy Sep 2016 #16
Designed solely to intoxicate. Plays a major role in addiction, violence and sexual assault. hack89 Sep 2016 #17
I would argue that alcohol has a much greater negative impact on society TheHound Sep 2016 #41
No. Straw Man Sep 2016 #22
Is there a good purpose for alcohol? Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #77
Any other groups you'd like to blame as a whole for the actions of individual members? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #58
No, just gun humpers and their enablers in the NRA mwrguy Sep 2016 #68
Do you believe some sort of collective punishment would be in order for the 'responsible' groups? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #112
The United States sheshe2 Sep 2016 #15
To you. former9thward Sep 2016 #32
The US is ranked 108th in homicide rates....are the other 107 countries more of a embarrassment? EX500rider Sep 2016 #37
Homicide rates, not Homicide by Firearm. maxsolomon Sep 2016 #47
Oh, are you more dead some how by firearms then other means? EX500rider Sep 2016 #48
topic of the thread is homicides by firearm maxsolomon Sep 2016 #49
Still if the overall rate is 3.9 the firearm rate is less then that... EX500rider Sep 2016 #51
My chart is overall firearm deaths/100,000 maxsolomon Sep 2016 #53
Thread end right there Egnever Sep 2016 #70
I agree with you. yallerdawg Sep 2016 #54
Piss on guns. hunter Sep 2016 #43
Many fetishes are nasty TheHound Sep 2016 #44
Do you have guns? hunter Sep 2016 #50
And *there* is the problem with approaches like yours: "In my own experience..." friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #60
Tell me your own experience then. hunter Sep 2016 #64
A fairly normal existence Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #79
Sure, shooting guns is fun... hunter Sep 2016 #93
It's the question you asked Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #115
No one's experiences are universal friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #110
I've never shot an animal TheHound Sep 2016 #67
I have dogs, all rescue dogs. They eat meat and meat by-products I buy in big bags at Costco. hunter Sep 2016 #92
Out of every million people, 30 are murdered by a gun? The2ndWheel Sep 2016 #74
Where we are now. yallerdawg Sep 2016 #78
I'm not saying it's a good number The2ndWheel Sep 2016 #82
Locking Chemisse Sep 2016 #116
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