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Major Nikon

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102. So to test the flu effectiveness, we should only test people who didn't have adverse outcomes!

Sun Sep 4, 2016, 12:49 PM

Sep 2016

Brilliant!

The flu vaccine is effective in saving lives and preventing hospitalizations and we know this from peer reviewed studies published in reputable journals based on double blind studies which are the gold standard of evidence unlike the obvious correlative evidence not based on double blind studies you are pushing which you also conveniently ignore doesn't control for a much larger set of factors.

And sure, the author of the OP also claims not to be "anti-vax" yet always seems to exaggerate the risks associated with vaccines and pretends to impeach rock solid studies with obviously more dubious ones. She also is a huge fan of quacks like Food Babe, Mercola, et al who love pushing even more dubious and even less supportable "big pharma" conspiracy theories.

So yeah, all the anti-vaxxers claim not to be anti-vaxxers until you start actually reading the nonsense they are promoting.

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Don't get your flu shot high on your arm [View all] womanofthehills Sep 2016 OP

I don't get flu shots. cwydro Sep 2016 #1

I don't get them either - just found this article interesting womanofthehills Sep 2016 #3

Oh I agree. cwydro Sep 2016 #5

I saw that thread - it was so hateful womanofthehills Sep 2016 #18

You and I are on the same page. cwydro Sep 2016 #19

We must have been separeated at brth. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2016 #44

Same with me Raine Sep 2016 #54

hey, if you think your conspiracy theory is more valid than science CreekDog Sep 2016 #134

In a word, Bullshit. Thor_MN Sep 2016 #4

Um really? cwydro Sep 2016 #9

You are not. Thor_MN Sep 2016 #16

I didn't say that dear. cwydro Sep 2016 #17

Writing competence is just as important. And I'm not your dear. Thor_MN Sep 2016 #20

Post removed Post removed Sep 2016 #25

Except that is not what you said, deary. Writing competence. Look into a class. Thor_MN Sep 2016 #27

Nope, you still got it wrong. cwydro Sep 2016 #29

You lose, I'm a computer programmer. Thor_MN Sep 2016 #33

I don't put anyone on ignore. cwydro Sep 2016 #35

You seem to have a talent for letting your fingers say things that you can't or won't bck up... Thor_MN Sep 2016 #41

Well argued Thor_MN nt canetoad Sep 2016 #58

If you are missing your posterior later, look up thread. It got handed to you. nt msanthrope Sep 2016 #72

You said... "...but I will not respond to you again. " pangaia Sep 2016 #107

"I don't believe in the silly flu shots which do not protect against all strains." uppityperson Sep 2016 #117

The same can be said for any vaccine Major Nikon Sep 2016 #88

What some people call the flu, is not the flu......... mrmpa Sep 2016 #56

My two sons and I all got it a couple winters ago, when we had all gotten the shot. Crunchy Frog Sep 2016 #59

It is a 3 week bronchial cough. If you don't have that, you didn't have the flu. uppityperson Sep 2016 #118

Mild to moderate flu-like symptoms are a common side effect of flu vaccine. It isn't the flu, but Squinch Sep 2016 #67

I am well aware of that. The person I responded to made a bogus claim. Thor_MN Sep 2016 #81

Gosh. Aren't you virtuous! Squinch Sep 2016 #89

If you say so. Thor_MN Sep 2016 #97

The poster said every one they know who had the flu shot got the flu. Boudica the Lyoness Sep 2016 #99

The poster also said they never get flu vaccines and don't believe in them. Thor_MN Sep 2016 #101

They have a right not to believe in them. Boudica the Lyoness Sep 2016 #136

Do me a favor and point out where I said that you were anti-vaccine... Thor_MN Sep 2016 #155

Right here; Boudica the Lyoness Sep 2016 #171

You conveniently left out the preceding sentence Thor_MN Sep 2016 #176

No, you did not understand the difference auto-immune disease and a compromised immune system. Boudica the Lyoness Sep 2016 #182

No, that your own opinion, I know what an auto-immune disease is. Thor_MN Sep 2016 #184

Sure you know now what auto-immune disease is NOW - because I had to tell you. Boudica the Lyoness Sep 2016 #186

i agree - ignorant nonsense jpak Sep 2016 #91

The flu vaccine does not cause the flu. It also isn't the windfall money maker some are implying still_one Sep 2016 #129

The exact opposite with my situation. TexasTowelie Sep 2016 #7

I got my first one last year and didn't get the flu. It's free for Medicare patients. Laurian Sep 2016 #8

I've been getting them since 1997. No flu since 1996. nt onehandle Sep 2016 #10

Glad to hear it. cwydro Sep 2016 #14

I haven't gotten them. Neither has my 90 year old mother. cwydro Sep 2016 #30

I envy you mothra1orbit Sep 2016 #70

Well, that just proves it. pangaia Sep 2016 #109

You must know nobody then... pipoman Sep 2016 #21

I believe in science GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #22

Not over 60, but my mom is 90. cwydro Sep 2016 #31

I do not love big pharma GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #38

You should perhaps look into the "proven science" surrounding the flu vaccine. There is none. Squinch Sep 2016 #78

Squinch, the CDC does not agree. Here is a good explanation: spooky3 Sep 2016 #112

Yes, everyone is referencing that page. Squinch Sep 2016 #156

I find it hard to believe that the CDC scientists would spooky3 Sep 2016 #157

Look for yourself, though. The CDC article has a link to its list of referenced articles. Squinch Sep 2016 #159

90 year olds aren't "healthy adults" no matter how spry pipoman Sep 2016 #175

I hear what you are saying dixiegrrrrl Sep 2016 #45

Crap! I had not heard that! Shingles vac is on my list of things to ask my doc for this year. Squinch Sep 2016 #80

You would do well to check with family history shigles, also. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2016 #83

My family's history has a lot of bizarre skin/immune system things, so I'd just rather get the Squinch Sep 2016 #90

I heard there's a much more effective shingles vaccine coming out in about a year. bananas Sep 2016 #167

The chicken pox virus never leaves your system; this is why people get shingles. alarimer Sep 2016 #131

Me too mcar Sep 2016 #151

That post shingles pain is not your imagination. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2016 #177

Good to know mcar Sep 2016 #178

There is a lot wrong with "big pharma" vaccines ain't one of of them. Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #120

Don't know about everyone. Just me. Brainstormy Sep 2016 #32

The plural of anecdote is not data, and the flu shot didn't give you the flu. HuckleB Sep 2016 #126

I started getting them after I had the flu followed by pneumonia three years in a row. pnwmom Sep 2016 #47

ops posted in wrong place nt Raine Sep 2016 #53

Flu shots have been free in most places I've seen them. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2016 #55

Most people I know who choose not to get the flu shot... Orrex Sep 2016 #79

Oh my! demmiblue Sep 2016 #124

Then you are a disease vector alarimer Sep 2016 #130

show a study to back up your contention CreekDog Sep 2016 #133

As I said elsewhere in this thread gollygee Sep 2016 #140

it's a dead virus Skittles Sep 2016 #149

Those of us that are immuno-compromised thank you EvolveOrConvolve Sep 2016 #158

I am 69 and will darn sure take them. Jim Beard Sep 2016 #2

At age 67 I decided to get a flu shot. redstateblues Sep 2016 #6

You had some symptoms, but the shots contain no live virus. So you had a reaction pnwmom Sep 2016 #48

My cardiologist always asks me if I got my flu shot, and I always say YES, I did. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2016 #11

My dear, Peggy thanks for the info on the injection site. TexasProgresive Sep 2016 #66

If you can't link to Washington Post article - here is an explanation womanofthehills Sep 2016 #82

Thank you for that. I had a bad shot once. Make sure they swab lower on your deltoid, not at the uppityperson Sep 2016 #119

Aw, my dear TexasProgresive... CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2016 #86

Here is another link quoting the WSJ article if you can't open it womanofthehills Sep 2016 #172

I've never had the flu. athena Sep 2016 #12

True dat. cwydro Sep 2016 #15

^^this^^ Freddie Sep 2016 #23

Some people also confuse gastroenteritis with influenza, or say "it's just bronchitis" when they are uppityperson Sep 2016 #26

This reminds me geomon666 Sep 2016 #13

Don't get it too high on your arm womanofthehills Sep 2016 #24

I have had the flu in my younger days, I know the difference in the flu and a cold, Thinkingabout Sep 2016 #28

Look, one of DU's resident anti-vaxxers is "concerned" about the flu shot. Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #34

Yup. HuckleB Sep 2016 #127

Having had an A-strain influenza in my mid 20s dflprincess Sep 2016 #36

Unfortunately, pharmacists are legally prevented from giving shots Warpy Sep 2016 #37

I did not know that GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #40

The office nurse, NP, PA, or even the doc can do it. Warpy Sep 2016 #42

I don't know--I don't see how you miss a 90 degree angle in the deltoid ismnotwasm Sep 2016 #123

90 degrees? There's your problem! Warpy Sep 2016 #125

What if it's a larger person? ismnotwasm Sep 2016 #128

Really? Too high on the arm? PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2016 #39

Slightly off topic, but i think the consensus is it started in China GoDawgs Sep 2016 #51

Actually, the reason we have the PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2016 #52

I have that book Freddie Sep 2016 #61

You're going to have a very tough time convincing China. Exilednight Sep 2016 #111

That is precisely the problem. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2016 #114

PoindexterO you're correct, that interspecies crossover is where the novel protein profiles GoDawgs Sep 2016 #173

I had always wondered why the flu virus originated in China smirkymonkey Sep 2016 #181

As stated above, PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2016 #185

Read 'The Great Influenza' GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #85

Same true for the 2009 Pamdemic HockeyMom Sep 2016 #84

Wow! This happened to me years ago. DawgHouse Sep 2016 #43

The shot can go into the bursa instead of the arm muscle womanofthehills Sep 2016 #46

The flu vaccine is a dead vaccine. longship Sep 2016 #49

You are responding to the wrong person - I never said you can get flu from the vaccine womanofthehills Sep 2016 #138

My bad. Such things happen on iPhones. longship Sep 2016 #141

That happened to me when I was 25. My first flu shot. C Moon Sep 2016 #50

I rolled the dice once too often HeiressofBickworth Sep 2016 #57

When I was young I got the flu about once every 7 years. Then my luck ran out... Hekate Sep 2016 #68

I have gotten it every year since 1989. No ill effects from the shot and I never got the flu. stevenleser Sep 2016 #162

I've never had any ill effects from any vax that weren't entirely routine and expected Hekate Sep 2016 #163

I Don't Think RobinA Sep 2016 #187

Sirva. Really good and useful information. Thanks! marble falls Sep 2016 #60

I've had the flu. I'd rather get Sirva librechik Sep 2016 #62

Studies show that there is really no reason for everyone to get the flu vaccine. Squinch Sep 2016 #63

I read that it was the nasal spray vax Ilsa Sep 2016 #64

No, it's the vaccine in general. Also, it is very, very strongly recommended for the elderly, Squinch Sep 2016 #65

I'm 68 and never had the flu shot HockeyMom Sep 2016 #71

That is the likelihood: that you have some immunity due to your years of exposure. Squinch Sep 2016 #73

The CDC says the elderly and very young get the least protection from the flu shot because womanofthehills Sep 2016 #179

Thanks for posting! cwydro Sep 2016 #74

In typical DU fashion, there seems to be an inability to distinguish between criticism of a Squinch Sep 2016 #75

Well said. cwydro Sep 2016 #77

When someone is pushing nonsense, the motivations just aren't that hard to figure out Major Nikon Sep 2016 #93

That doesn't really measure vaccine effectiveness. Squinch Sep 2016 #94

So to test the flu effectiveness, we should only test people who didn't have adverse outcomes! Major Nikon Sep 2016 #102

Sigh. No. As you say, we should be looking at double blind studies. This chart is not that. Squinch Sep 2016 #154

Gotta love how anti-vaxxers regurgitate one opinion as the end all to everything Major Nikon Sep 2016 #160

Looks like some years the flu shot is less effective esp. for older people womanofthehills Sep 2016 #139

Less effective /= not effective Major Nikon Sep 2016 #146

hmmm - your link is behind a wall. Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #121

Great links! mcar Sep 2016 #152

Yeah, my husband used to say that too gollygee Sep 2016 #137

SIRVA an acronym for Shoulder Injury Related to Vaccine Administration TexasProgresive Sep 2016 #69

a flu shot every year for about 40 years Motley13 Sep 2016 #76

I'm going to add pneumonia and shingles this year TexasBushwhacker Sep 2016 #132

Holy Shit.... SDANation Sep 2016 #87

Do yourself a favor and read up on the efficacy of the flu vaccine. Squinch Sep 2016 #92

I work in the field SDANation Sep 2016 #95

Pfft! That information is easily debunked! Major Nikon Sep 2016 #104

Haha! SDANation Sep 2016 #106

A press release. I'm totally convinced. Squinch Sep 2016 #161

Do yourself a favor... SDANation Sep 2016 #98

Good Job RobinA Sep 2016 #188

same as people that don't get their children vaccinated Motley13 Sep 2016 #145

excellent response Skittles Sep 2016 #150

I've given many flu vaccines ismnotwasm Sep 2016 #96

Poorly trained MA? SDANation Sep 2016 #100

Really. I go to a Minute Clinic for mine, and a nice MineralMan Sep 2016 #103

The often quoted 60% figure is not the effectiveness of preventing the flu at all Major Nikon Sep 2016 #108

OK. The anti-vaxxers like to think that they're convincing people. MineralMan Sep 2016 #110

Even if one doesn't want to investigate the science, their claims just don't pass the smell test Major Nikon Sep 2016 #113

Anti-vaxxers have no real claims to make. MineralMan Sep 2016 #115

I get and give flu shots gwheezie Sep 2016 #105

How many vaccinations can you get at once? TexasBushwhacker Sep 2016 #135

SIRVA victim here. moondust Sep 2016 #116

Where on your arm did the injection happen? ismnotwasm Sep 2016 #122

Some illustrations of where the injection should be womanofthehills Sep 2016 #144

Thank you ismnotwasm Sep 2016 #148

To be honest, moondust Sep 2016 #170

interesing because I have bursitis and I've always had the flu shot on my upper arm dlwickham Sep 2016 #142

Last year I gave the flu vax to nearly everyone on my unit eilen Sep 2016 #143

The poster of the OP is a Mercola fan Major Nikon Sep 2016 #147

Not true - you always hassle me with this lie womanofthehills Sep 2016 #164

Please do keep denying it Major Nikon Sep 2016 #166

So I once posted something from a site that posted an article that Dr. Mercola had also posted - OK womanofthehills Sep 2016 #168

Nice try Major Nikon Sep 2016 #169

Woo posts belong in Creative Speculation and nowhere else. SwankyXomb Sep 2016 #153

What is woo about SIRVA? ???? womanofthehills Sep 2016 #165

Your characterization below the article is the woo and creative speculation CreekDog Sep 2016 #180

Nothing. It is caused by improper injection procedures. MineralMan Sep 2016 #183

Omg I've been getting vaccinations in both arms and I needed extensive surgery in both shoulders! REP Sep 2016 #174