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Ohio Joe

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102. Hi, I'm Joe, A Host of DU's Gaming Group...

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 08:17 PM

Jun 2012

I love gaming... I've been a gamer for many years. I started back on the Atari 800XL with a cassette drive, playing some great old stuff like Telengard... Been doing it ever since... And what we have here is one of the things that infuriates me about the industry. It is something I simply do not understand how it ever got beyond the Leisure Suit Larry game and yet... Not only has it never gone away, exactly the opposite, it has only grown and gotten worse and worse.

This though... I'm ashamed and embarrassed by it. I read this earlier today at work, along with a number of other articles/opinion's on this and I'm seeing far too much excuse making that this occurred on you-tube, so the comments do not really reflect gamers thoughts. The excuses are all bullshit, there is no excuse for shit like this. Even if by some miracle, every one of the vile replies was from non-gamers (That a good number of them are gamers is my belief), they are still only a small part of the problem... The real problem is what the project Anita Sarkeesian is trying to complete is all about.

The project is down to it's last few hours to get funding, it's over tonight. Take a look at her video and if you can give to help her out. I completely support her effort.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games

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Anita Sarkeesian, Video Game Rape Culture, and Why Online Harassment Is Not a Joke (long screencap) [View all] demmiblue Jun 2012 OP

I don't give a flying hoot about video games - hifiguy Jun 2012 #1

+1000...couldn't agree more. bullwinkle428 Jun 2012 #2

I don't think these cockroaches will stay in their basements. Zalatix Jun 2012 #116

You can't go to the Internet with pleas for decency... Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #3

Where does she make pleas for decency? Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #11

There's a rhetorical figure malthaussen Jun 2012 #56

You hit a hornets nest Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #122

"Attached below is The Problem. Let's do something about this, okay?" Posteritatis Jun 2012 #76

Not too long ago I would have said something like "unbelievable", Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #4

Very well said. redqueen Jun 2012 #6

Thanks & kick. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #14

+1. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #134

Where the hell is all that hate coming from? Lucy Goosey Jun 2012 #5

Fascinating? redqueen Jun 2012 #8

"Fascinating" was possibly a stupid word choice on my part. Lucy Goosey Jun 2012 #12

They're coming from a place where women aren't people. redqueen Jun 2012 #21

I honestly doubt much of the gaming demographic hifiguy Jun 2012 #13

They don't have to know anything about him to agree with the sentiment. redqueen Jun 2012 #20

Well, I have always described myself as a "liberal" hifiguy Jun 2012 #23

When I started associating the term with people like Maher, Moore, redqueen Jun 2012 #25

I will speak only to Michael Moore hifiguy Jun 2012 #49

LMMFAO...of COURSE you ignore it. Of course. redqueen Jun 2012 #51

I have "ignored" nothing. hifiguy Jun 2012 #53

It must be nice to personalize discussions and attack prople rather than deal with the ideas redqueen Jun 2012 #57

Projection is not a pretty thing. hifiguy Jun 2012 #60

Oh I'm sorry, did I personally attack you? redqueen Jun 2012 #64

Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #146

I have finally realized that. hifiguy Jun 2012 #149

"But the vitriol, bile and sheer nastiness of most of these "comments" is beyond disturbing." demmiblue Jun 2012 #154

Ha ha hifiguy Jun 2012 #158

Sucks to be you when you realize that you are just like them. n/t demmiblue Jun 2012 #162

A jury allowed this. I have never seen such personal vitriol spewed sufrommich Jun 2012 #156

Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #159

fascinating in the fact that such an innocuous video can bring out such levels of hatred. dionysus Jun 2012 #18

Google 'women bloggers sexist abuse'. This is not a youtube thing. nt redqueen Jun 2012 #19

Emphatically agreed. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #68

I disagree with the apparent equivalency malthaussen Jun 2012 #73

You're talking about a group that has little social skills and you're threating jeff47 Jun 2012 #15

^^^^^ hifiguy Jun 2012 #17

Great post. redqueen Jun 2012 #22

I think primarily we need to talk to the "non-jock" teenagers jeff47 Jun 2012 #31

I was referring to society as a whole, redqueen Jun 2012 #34

The "typical" video gamer these days is actually somewhere in their thirties Posteritatis Jun 2012 #48

Thank you so much for challenging the 'it's just kids' claim. nt redqueen Jun 2012 #52

Yeah. It really isn't, and I don't believe it is even in an extreme case like this. Posteritatis Jun 2012 #66

And sadly many liberals don't think it's a big deal. Just ensure boys get dates, redqueen Jun 2012 #69

Good catch; that whole angle's got its own barrel of problems to it, doesn't it? (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #74

In a maior, major way. redqueen Jun 2012 #78

You will note I explicitly stated "teenager". jeff47 Jun 2012 #54

I think I see the problem hfojvt Jun 2012 #35

What the actual fuck. redqueen Jun 2012 #36

first of all, I am trying to explain what the commenters are thinking hfojvt Jun 2012 #37

IMO it is misogyny. What if I said 'that ethnic person looks like (fill in the rationalization) redqueen Jun 2012 #44

I cannot see how that would fit hfojvt Jun 2012 #70

Its the basis for the hate. redqueen Jun 2012 #79

but "attractive young women" are a group of people hfojvt Jun 2012 #82

"I do not believe women are an oppressed class." ... Wow. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #85

Ah, but women stand a statistically much higher chance of being sexually assaulted, redqueen Jun 2012 #89

yet of the women I know best hfojvt Jun 2012 #96

Yay, anecdata! (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #97

How do you know? MadrasT Jun 2012 #100

That is also wrong. Beauty has nothing to do with living a happy life, Dash87 Jun 2012 #141

"men will knock down doors for them and sprinkle rose petals at their feet" girl gone mad Jun 2012 #163

That's very superficial, hfojvt. Dash87 Jun 2012 #137

Sarcasm is apparently lost on you. hifiguy Jun 2012 #38

Yes, roll your eyes. I have absolutely no reason to think it might have been their opinion. redqueen Jun 2012 #45

Post 37 proves me 100% right. hifiguy Jun 2012 #47

Fucking duh. redqueen Jun 2012 #55

You didn't seem to realize it in your hifiguy Jun 2012 #58

Quote my "attack". redqueen Jun 2012 #62

OK. hifiguy Jun 2012 #65

I'm done helping you make this discussion about me nt redqueen Jun 2012 #75

More ROFLing... asking for an explanation, PLEASE redqueen Jun 2012 #67

If it looks like an accusation and hifiguy Jun 2012 #72

but I could have made that clearer hfojvt Jun 2012 #84

It was to me. hifiguy Jun 2012 #87

You do know that poster's describing a thought process rather than giving their own, right? (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #50

Just making sure. There is so much misogyny on this site, redqueen Jun 2012 #59

It's kind of depressing that the ambiguity's even a little there, yeah. Posteritatis Jun 2012 #71

Please allow me to apologize redqueen Jun 2012 #77

no worries hfojvt Jun 2012 #83

Don't be silly, redqueen Jun 2012 #88

My guess is her stuff wound up on 4chan or reddit and the usual response ensued. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #40

The almost all of them are anti-social cowards Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #46

Gamers aren't social cowards Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #120

She's a bolshevist nazi jew lesbian, didn't you see? malthaussen Jun 2012 #61

Agreed. hifiguy Jun 2012 #80

They totally missed that her name is Armenian malthaussen Jun 2012 #81

Here's a blog post about the same issue. redqueen Jun 2012 #7

Games vary wildly. Archae Jun 2012 #9

And here's anither article about the misogynist reaction to this woman... redqueen Jun 2012 #10

egads... lots of angry lads who can't find a date harshing on that poor lady... dionysus Jun 2012 #16

They are attacking her. redqueen Jun 2012 #24

She attacked first Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #26

Quote an example of her "attacking". redqueen Jun 2012 #27

it seems devisive may simply be speaking out against misogynit behavior. bad feminist, how dare seabeyond Jun 2012 #28

Speaking out using extreme, inaccurate, and inflammatory language Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #30

Calling that language extreme, inflammatory, or inaccurate suggests you don't understand redqueen Jun 2012 #63

You didn't bother reading my post Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #121

ha ha. surely you jest. there are poster i simply do not waste my time with. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #136

"Video Game Rape Culture" That is inflammtory and a direct attack towards gaming culture Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #29

So the way this is labeled is somehow an attack on par with the response? redqueen Jun 2012 #33

Wish I could rec your response lapislzi Jun 2012 #42

Thank you for confirming you are out of touch with reality Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #118

There are those who scream "rape culture" at everything hifiguy Jun 2012 #125

Just because you and a few others wish to ignore reality, sugar coat it, etc. redqueen Jun 2012 #128

The reaction she's gotten demonstrates the accuracy of her viewpoint. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #41

These radical feminists believe all men are rapists Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #119

LOL nt redqueen Jun 2012 #129

Thank you, HB. hifiguy Jun 2012 #133

"These radical feminists believe all men are rapists" you would be wrong seabeyond Jun 2012 #151

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you dont get to make things up and call it a reality then accuse people of it. that is the bullshit seabeyond Jun 2012 #161

No, they don't. Jesus, it like the Rush Limbaugh sufrommich Jun 2012 #157

Fuck "Gaming Culture". Odin2005 Jun 2012 #106

Many truths are indeed extreme, but that does not in fact mean those truths should be suppressed. LanternWaste Jun 2012 #32

She didn't attack anyone. hifiguy Jun 2012 #39

you're looking for disagreement where there is none. dionysus Jun 2012 #93

You committed the Unforgivable Sin of Insufficient Rage. 2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #95

Clarifying terms is not "looking for disagreement". nt redqueen Jun 2012 #98

fair enough. "harshing on" in this case means being complete, total assholes. dionysus Jun 2012 #103

Cool beans. redqueen Jun 2012 #104

It never fails: the Confucian proposition lapislzi Jun 2012 #43

If you ask me, she just pointed to an open market Taverner Jun 2012 #86

They're not, and it is changing. redqueen Jun 2012 #90

I guess the question I have is: What would a women-oriented video game look like? Taverner Jun 2012 #91

Judging from the content of the bodice-ripper genre malthaussen Jun 2012 #92

So you didn't read the article. redqueen Jun 2012 #113

I read it - you don't have to snark Taverner Jun 2012 #124

Snark is the only thing the radfems can bring hifiguy Jun 2012 #126

LOL! Thanks for educating us all about which issues COUNT. redqueen Jun 2012 #131

I don't think it's the "radical" part that is causing the problem Taverner Jun 2012 #155

not to burst your bubble... keroro gunsou Jun 2012 #135

It is really simple, there is always someone better then you out there Rex Jun 2012 #94

My girlfriend is a hardcore gamer and says this cartoon just about sums it up Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2012 #99

Best laugh I've had all day. n/t malthaussen Jun 2012 #101

Stealing, LMFAO!!! Odin2005 Jun 2012 #107

Hi, I'm Joe, A Host of DU's Gaming Group... Ohio Joe Jun 2012 #102

She has $155,946 towards a requested $6,000 redqueen Jun 2012 #114

Justice is sweet, but rarely so quick. malthaussen Jun 2012 #117

They're certainly throwing tantrums all over the news articles mentioning it. Posteritatis Jun 2012 #130

my husband loves it like you. and feels the same. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #152

Men who are hardcore gamers are not the most emotionally mature bunch. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #105

Well, "harcore gamer" is a pretty pathetic self-identification, wouldn't you think? malthaussen Jun 2012 #108

Oh yeah, because that's a mindset exclusive to the US or something. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #109

Couldn't say, I only know the USA n/t malthaussen Jun 2012 #111

Wow. nt redqueen Jun 2012 #115

American? Ever read about South Korean gamers? Odin2005 Jun 2012 #110

No, I haven't. malthaussen Jun 2012 #112

South Korean gamers Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #123

having lived in S. Korea, outside of a few outliers, most gamers there are pretty much normal. NuttyFluffers Jun 2012 #127

No less pathetic than taking any other hobby seriously. nt RedCappedBandit Jun 2012 #148

um... keroro gunsou Jun 2012 #138

I didn't mean ALL of you, I meant the typical one! Odin2005 Jun 2012 #142

alrighty then! keroro gunsou Jun 2012 #144

my husband games with people all over, in canada. they have one mouth. seabeyond Jun 2012 #153

Internet anonymity is a blast. joshcryer Jun 2012 #132

it's the GIFT keroro gunsou Jun 2012 #139

Yep. joshcryer Jun 2012 #140

wasn't complaining keroro gunsou Jun 2012 #143

Oh! I got you. I was just admitting that I can be a really bad fuckwad when posting anonymously! joshcryer Jun 2012 #145

These comments do NOT represent gamers. RedCappedBandit Jun 2012 #147

Yeah im a gamer, these comments have less to do with gaming and more to with the internet Mr.Turnip Jun 2012 #150