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In reply to the discussion: University of Chicago Tells Incoming Students: Don't Expect Safe Spaces or Trigger Warnings [View all]NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)237. Wow, that's a lot of strawmen for one toon.
Are you from a dominant social group saying "politically incorrect" things?
Politically incorrect is not the same thing as bigoted. I'd love to know how men are somehow the "dominant social group" since women outnumber them on campus and in the country at large.
Are you from a minority group protesting something said by the previous group?
The problem isn't protesting or debating. It's the fact that "protesting" happens to be taking the form of violating freedom of the press, assaulting speakers on stage, and denying other people their rights to speech.
Are you an invited speaker to whom we are paying a hefty fee, and also a war criminal/online harasser/extreme bigot/anti-science kook?
Given how expansive these terms have become, just about everyone who seems to not march in lockstep with a certain ideology can be fit into these categories.
Want to peacefully protest your university granting legitimacy to this person?
Universities don't "grant legitimacy" or endorse speakers they allow to use their facilities. Universities are supposed to be open marketplaces of ideas, and most believe that allowing viewpoints at odds with their students is not only in keeping with that spirit, but healthy for their emotional and intellectual development. People you disagree with are going to voice their opinions somewhere, so it might as well be in a place where you and others can have a discussion on the merits of their arguments; otherwise, you're going to end up woefully unprepared for when you encounter these people after college.
And no, walking up on stage and assaulting Milo Yiannopoulos is not considered peaceful protest.
We are VERY, VERY concerned about "trigger warnings." (Shout out to right-wing donors!)
What the fuck do right-wing donors have to do with this? This is just a ridiculous attempt at a boogeyman.
But, no need to mention the problem of campus sexual assault.
Universities don't ignore sexual assault. What people are at odds with is the flawed "1 in 5" statistic based on a self-reporting survey covering only one year of students and including expanded definitions, rather than the more comprehensive long-term study which found it to be less than 1% and in fact safer than the surrounding communities. This is not saying that rape and assault on campus don't exist, as this strawman thinks.
Are you an LGBT student looking for a place where you don't have to worry about being harassed?
Harassment is against the law, and against nearly all university student codes of conduct. If a student is being harassed based on their race, sexual orientation, gender, or ethnicity, they can report it to university officials who will discipline the party responsible, or contact the police and have a restraining order filed.
"Safe spaces" exist to shut out differing opinions, which in the world of identity politics that inextricably links ideas with identity, gets called harassment.
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University of Chicago Tells Incoming Students: Don't Expect Safe Spaces or Trigger Warnings [View all]
megahertz
Aug 2016
OP
I understand you to mean that you reject the concept of trigger warnings utterly.
Brickbat
Aug 2016
#10
If you pay me $10/hr., I'll be the college cryer who bangs a drum and issues warnings. OK?
Eleanors38
Aug 2016
#59
Like the old DU "hidden post" warnings, some warnings are impossible to resist.
JustABozoOnThisBus
Aug 2016
#18
Glad you are a good shot, and follow safety recommendations, "fellow" enthusiast
Eleanors38
Aug 2016
#169
That's where I received both my masters degrees from, and they employed our current president.
Exilednight
Aug 2016
#21
I never received such "kid gloves" from my parents when I was a small child!
Buckeye_Democrat
Aug 2016
#20
Because you're not doing these kids any favors making them think the world is fair. nt
MadDAsHell
Aug 2016
#98
First, please show where the UC allows bigotry to be practiced on their campus, or in a classroom.
Ikonoklast
Aug 2016
#75
Yes, deal with it, enact change. What exactly is the alternative? Crawl in a hole?
MadDAsHell
Aug 2016
#100
Most offices and adult education classes I've known seem closer to the safe space side of things
Chathamization
Aug 2016
#74
Huh, what? Safe spaces are bad because harassment exists? How does that begin to make sense?
Chathamization
Aug 2016
#81
Even McDonald's says it's opposed to offensive jokes in the workplace. I'd say it's pretty common
Chathamization
Aug 2016
#91
No, I'm appreciating the fact that neither the workplace nor a university is the entire world
Chathamization
Aug 2016
#186
You do realize that most business that have customers, if those customers abuse the...
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2016
#225
If a waitress gets groped, hopefully the offending customer is kicked out by management and...
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2016
#224
Free speech in quotes has proven to be a consistent indicator of a pending authoritarian post...
TipTok
Aug 2016
#73
I remember getting a syllabus well before classes began. That might be a good place
KittyWampus
Aug 2016
#49
Being fair, history, like science, is a bit different from literature or art....
Moonwalk
Aug 2016
#64
The warning is not for the bored little snowflakes, it's for people who have been abused.
haele
Aug 2016
#71
Probably the wrong place to ask, but this is a good opportunity so I'll risk it.
whatthehey
Aug 2016
#46
I would think the syllabus would be a perfect opportunity to tag various issues.
KittyWampus
Aug 2016
#51
I was thinking we all could of used a warning on what was coming out of there at some point
Person 2713
Aug 2016
#54
There was a big one in 2007. Fortunately I pulled the trigger and got outta the market.
Eleanors38
Aug 2016
#67
Excellent. "Trigger Warnings" and "Safe Spaces" are antithetical to a liberal education
hueymahl
Aug 2016
#38
Anyone walking around thinking that they are entitled to warnings about reality is deluded.
Moostache
Aug 2016
#40
How many people who are celebrating this have talkeded with students after campus wide threats?
loyalsister
Aug 2016
#53
So a rape survivor can't expect a "safe space" at the school counseling center?
thucythucy
Aug 2016
#56
Good. The best way to deal with disturbing and obnoxious ideas is to discuss them.
backscatter712
Aug 2016
#68
I agree with most of your post, but note that nearly all of the cancelled campus speakers over the..
MadDAsHell
Aug 2016
#101
I have not heard that any of these controversial speakers have been class requirements
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Aug 2016
#111
So, what all do we need to warn about if we're going to find every single possible
Bettie
Aug 2016
#187
you don't get into the U of C by tuning out information you don't agree with.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2016
#97
If you read the actual letter, though, they are pretty clear that they're not talking about
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2016
#114
Wow, it really needed to come to this? When I went to college (1988 to 1993), we didn't have
4lbs
Aug 2016
#103
Rutgers does the same thing. Once people block the free transfer of information, growth is hampered.
TheBlackAdder
Aug 2016
#123
A university declaring that it is not a safe space, female students beware!
Lordquinton
Aug 2016
#124
They're not abrogating laws, they're just dismissing demands for ideological carve-outs.
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2016
#134
Safe spaces are places where marginalised groups can feel safe to talk freely
Lordquinton
Aug 2016
#212
Ok, so these people who face the actual real world every day of their lives
Lordquinton
Aug 2016
#223
You're the one insisting that minority students are too emotionally-fragile to handle debate.
NuclearDem
Aug 2016
#229
If other people by virtue of nothing more than their presence can be so debilitating
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2016
#230
"Hey who wants to help me kick this reporter out? I need some muscle over here."
NuclearDem
Aug 2016
#218
A despicable episode no different than the Bundy's seizing public land.
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2016
#220
Homes, workplaces, schools, churches, clubs, etc. are all safe spaces by other names.
DemocraticWing
Aug 2016
#125
While the big prestigious schools are saying they'll treat students as students . . .
DeltaLitProf
Aug 2016
#129
Often that doesn't happen anymore because the students refuse to let the speakers on campus at all..
MadDAsHell
Aug 2016
#145
"Some speakers shouldn't be 'tolerated.'" Wow, that is a chilling statement to read on here. nt
MadDAsHell
Aug 2016
#147
"We are free to speak. We are also free not to listen, and free to be impolite."
NaturalHigh
Aug 2016
#168
Oh dear, I've violated your safe space, and maybe should have posted a trigger warning.
hunter
Aug 2016
#185
No, I'm reasonably certain that the U of C is actually acting on their own committment to the
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2016
#172
You've seen people offended about that Blues Brothers scene? Honestly?
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2016
#184
I hear it- having someone trying to weasel in and teach creationism to my kids, would set me off.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2016
#202
Oh yeah, the University of Chicago, what an ill-regarded educational dump.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2016
#173
Ask Mizzou, Rutgers, Yale, DePaul, or the UC system if they think it's bogus.
NuclearDem
Aug 2016
#179
I highly doubt they're lining up "anti-science kooks" to speak at the U of C.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2016
#238
Ask the folks in Chile. The ones who lived. Not kookery, just taking part in the coup of
jtuck004
Sep 2016
#242
If you're talking about Henry Kissinger, which is my assumption here
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2016
#243