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134. hey, if you think your conspiracy theory is more valid than science

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Sun Sep 4, 2016, 05:49 PM

Sep 2016

that says more about you than the science.

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Don't get your flu shot high on your arm [View all] womanofthehills Sep 2016 OP

I don't get flu shots. cwydro Sep 2016 #1

I don't get them either - just found this article interesting womanofthehills Sep 2016 #3

Oh I agree. cwydro Sep 2016 #5

I saw that thread - it was so hateful womanofthehills Sep 2016 #18

You and I are on the same page. cwydro Sep 2016 #19

We must have been separeated at brth. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2016 #44

Same with me Raine Sep 2016 #54

hey, if you think your conspiracy theory is more valid than science CreekDog Sep 2016 #134

In a word, Bullshit. Thor_MN Sep 2016 #4

Um really? cwydro Sep 2016 #9

You are not. Thor_MN Sep 2016 #16

I didn't say that dear. cwydro Sep 2016 #17

Writing competence is just as important. And I'm not your dear. Thor_MN Sep 2016 #20

Post removed Post removed Sep 2016 #25

Except that is not what you said, deary. Writing competence. Look into a class. Thor_MN Sep 2016 #27

Nope, you still got it wrong. cwydro Sep 2016 #29

You lose, I'm a computer programmer. Thor_MN Sep 2016 #33

I don't put anyone on ignore. cwydro Sep 2016 #35

You seem to have a talent for letting your fingers say things that you can't or won't bck up... Thor_MN Sep 2016 #41

Well argued Thor_MN nt canetoad Sep 2016 #58

If you are missing your posterior later, look up thread. It got handed to you. nt msanthrope Sep 2016 #72

You said... "...but I will not respond to you again. " pangaia Sep 2016 #107

"I don't believe in the silly flu shots which do not protect against all strains." uppityperson Sep 2016 #117

The same can be said for any vaccine Major Nikon Sep 2016 #88

What some people call the flu, is not the flu......... mrmpa Sep 2016 #56

My two sons and I all got it a couple winters ago, when we had all gotten the shot. Crunchy Frog Sep 2016 #59

It is a 3 week bronchial cough. If you don't have that, you didn't have the flu. uppityperson Sep 2016 #118

Mild to moderate flu-like symptoms are a common side effect of flu vaccine. It isn't the flu, but Squinch Sep 2016 #67

I am well aware of that. The person I responded to made a bogus claim. Thor_MN Sep 2016 #81

Gosh. Aren't you virtuous! Squinch Sep 2016 #89

If you say so. Thor_MN Sep 2016 #97

The poster said every one they know who had the flu shot got the flu. Boudica the Lyoness Sep 2016 #99

The poster also said they never get flu vaccines and don't believe in them. Thor_MN Sep 2016 #101

They have a right not to believe in them. Boudica the Lyoness Sep 2016 #136

Do me a favor and point out where I said that you were anti-vaccine... Thor_MN Sep 2016 #155

Right here; Boudica the Lyoness Sep 2016 #171

You conveniently left out the preceding sentence Thor_MN Sep 2016 #176

No, you did not understand the difference auto-immune disease and a compromised immune system. Boudica the Lyoness Sep 2016 #182

No, that your own opinion, I know what an auto-immune disease is. Thor_MN Sep 2016 #184

Sure you know now what auto-immune disease is NOW - because I had to tell you. Boudica the Lyoness Sep 2016 #186

i agree - ignorant nonsense jpak Sep 2016 #91

The flu vaccine does not cause the flu. It also isn't the windfall money maker some are implying still_one Sep 2016 #129

The exact opposite with my situation. TexasTowelie Sep 2016 #7

I got my first one last year and didn't get the flu. It's free for Medicare patients. Laurian Sep 2016 #8

I've been getting them since 1997. No flu since 1996. nt onehandle Sep 2016 #10

Glad to hear it. cwydro Sep 2016 #14

I haven't gotten them. Neither has my 90 year old mother. cwydro Sep 2016 #30

I envy you mothra1orbit Sep 2016 #70

Well, that just proves it. pangaia Sep 2016 #109

You must know nobody then... pipoman Sep 2016 #21

I believe in science GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #22

Not over 60, but my mom is 90. cwydro Sep 2016 #31

I do not love big pharma GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #38

You should perhaps look into the "proven science" surrounding the flu vaccine. There is none. Squinch Sep 2016 #78

Squinch, the CDC does not agree. Here is a good explanation: spooky3 Sep 2016 #112

Yes, everyone is referencing that page. Squinch Sep 2016 #156

I find it hard to believe that the CDC scientists would spooky3 Sep 2016 #157

Look for yourself, though. The CDC article has a link to its list of referenced articles. Squinch Sep 2016 #159

90 year olds aren't "healthy adults" no matter how spry pipoman Sep 2016 #175

I hear what you are saying dixiegrrrrl Sep 2016 #45

Crap! I had not heard that! Shingles vac is on my list of things to ask my doc for this year. Squinch Sep 2016 #80

You would do well to check with family history shigles, also. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2016 #83

My family's history has a lot of bizarre skin/immune system things, so I'd just rather get the Squinch Sep 2016 #90

I heard there's a much more effective shingles vaccine coming out in about a year. bananas Sep 2016 #167

The chicken pox virus never leaves your system; this is why people get shingles. alarimer Sep 2016 #131

Me too mcar Sep 2016 #151

That post shingles pain is not your imagination. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2016 #177

Good to know mcar Sep 2016 #178

There is a lot wrong with "big pharma" vaccines ain't one of of them. Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #120

Don't know about everyone. Just me. Brainstormy Sep 2016 #32

The plural of anecdote is not data, and the flu shot didn't give you the flu. HuckleB Sep 2016 #126

I started getting them after I had the flu followed by pneumonia three years in a row. pnwmom Sep 2016 #47

ops posted in wrong place nt Raine Sep 2016 #53

Flu shots have been free in most places I've seen them. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2016 #55

Most people I know who choose not to get the flu shot... Orrex Sep 2016 #79

Oh my! demmiblue Sep 2016 #124

Then you are a disease vector alarimer Sep 2016 #130

show a study to back up your contention CreekDog Sep 2016 #133

As I said elsewhere in this thread gollygee Sep 2016 #140

it's a dead virus Skittles Sep 2016 #149

Those of us that are immuno-compromised thank you EvolveOrConvolve Sep 2016 #158

I am 69 and will darn sure take them. Jim Beard Sep 2016 #2

At age 67 I decided to get a flu shot. redstateblues Sep 2016 #6

You had some symptoms, but the shots contain no live virus. So you had a reaction pnwmom Sep 2016 #48

My cardiologist always asks me if I got my flu shot, and I always say YES, I did. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2016 #11

My dear, Peggy thanks for the info on the injection site. TexasProgresive Sep 2016 #66

If you can't link to Washington Post article - here is an explanation womanofthehills Sep 2016 #82

Thank you for that. I had a bad shot once. Make sure they swab lower on your deltoid, not at the uppityperson Sep 2016 #119

Aw, my dear TexasProgresive... CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2016 #86

Here is another link quoting the WSJ article if you can't open it womanofthehills Sep 2016 #172

I've never had the flu. athena Sep 2016 #12

True dat. cwydro Sep 2016 #15

^^this^^ Freddie Sep 2016 #23

Some people also confuse gastroenteritis with influenza, or say "it's just bronchitis" when they are uppityperson Sep 2016 #26

This reminds me geomon666 Sep 2016 #13

Don't get it too high on your arm womanofthehills Sep 2016 #24

I have had the flu in my younger days, I know the difference in the flu and a cold, Thinkingabout Sep 2016 #28

Look, one of DU's resident anti-vaxxers is "concerned" about the flu shot. Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #34

Yup. HuckleB Sep 2016 #127

Having had an A-strain influenza in my mid 20s dflprincess Sep 2016 #36

Unfortunately, pharmacists are legally prevented from giving shots Warpy Sep 2016 #37

I did not know that GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #40

The office nurse, NP, PA, or even the doc can do it. Warpy Sep 2016 #42

I don't know--I don't see how you miss a 90 degree angle in the deltoid ismnotwasm Sep 2016 #123

90 degrees? There's your problem! Warpy Sep 2016 #125

What if it's a larger person? ismnotwasm Sep 2016 #128

Really? Too high on the arm? PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2016 #39

Slightly off topic, but i think the consensus is it started in China GoDawgs Sep 2016 #51

Actually, the reason we have the PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2016 #52

I have that book Freddie Sep 2016 #61

You're going to have a very tough time convincing China. Exilednight Sep 2016 #111

That is precisely the problem. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2016 #114

PoindexterO you're correct, that interspecies crossover is where the novel protein profiles GoDawgs Sep 2016 #173

I had always wondered why the flu virus originated in China smirkymonkey Sep 2016 #181

As stated above, PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2016 #185

Read 'The Great Influenza' GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #85

Same true for the 2009 Pamdemic HockeyMom Sep 2016 #84

Wow! This happened to me years ago. DawgHouse Sep 2016 #43

The shot can go into the bursa instead of the arm muscle womanofthehills Sep 2016 #46

The flu vaccine is a dead vaccine. longship Sep 2016 #49

You are responding to the wrong person - I never said you can get flu from the vaccine womanofthehills Sep 2016 #138

My bad. Such things happen on iPhones. longship Sep 2016 #141

That happened to me when I was 25. My first flu shot. C Moon Sep 2016 #50

I rolled the dice once too often HeiressofBickworth Sep 2016 #57

When I was young I got the flu about once every 7 years. Then my luck ran out... Hekate Sep 2016 #68

I have gotten it every year since 1989. No ill effects from the shot and I never got the flu. stevenleser Sep 2016 #162

I've never had any ill effects from any vax that weren't entirely routine and expected Hekate Sep 2016 #163

I Don't Think RobinA Sep 2016 #187

Sirva. Really good and useful information. Thanks! marble falls Sep 2016 #60

I've had the flu. I'd rather get Sirva librechik Sep 2016 #62

Studies show that there is really no reason for everyone to get the flu vaccine. Squinch Sep 2016 #63

I read that it was the nasal spray vax Ilsa Sep 2016 #64

No, it's the vaccine in general. Also, it is very, very strongly recommended for the elderly, Squinch Sep 2016 #65

I'm 68 and never had the flu shot HockeyMom Sep 2016 #71

That is the likelihood: that you have some immunity due to your years of exposure. Squinch Sep 2016 #73

The CDC says the elderly and very young get the least protection from the flu shot because womanofthehills Sep 2016 #179

Thanks for posting! cwydro Sep 2016 #74

In typical DU fashion, there seems to be an inability to distinguish between criticism of a Squinch Sep 2016 #75

Well said. cwydro Sep 2016 #77

When someone is pushing nonsense, the motivations just aren't that hard to figure out Major Nikon Sep 2016 #93

That doesn't really measure vaccine effectiveness. Squinch Sep 2016 #94

So to test the flu effectiveness, we should only test people who didn't have adverse outcomes! Major Nikon Sep 2016 #102

Sigh. No. As you say, we should be looking at double blind studies. This chart is not that. Squinch Sep 2016 #154

Gotta love how anti-vaxxers regurgitate one opinion as the end all to everything Major Nikon Sep 2016 #160

Looks like some years the flu shot is less effective esp. for older people womanofthehills Sep 2016 #139

Less effective /= not effective Major Nikon Sep 2016 #146

hmmm - your link is behind a wall. Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #121

Great links! mcar Sep 2016 #152

Yeah, my husband used to say that too gollygee Sep 2016 #137

SIRVA an acronym for Shoulder Injury Related to Vaccine Administration TexasProgresive Sep 2016 #69

a flu shot every year for about 40 years Motley13 Sep 2016 #76

I'm going to add pneumonia and shingles this year TexasBushwhacker Sep 2016 #132

Holy Shit.... SDANation Sep 2016 #87

Do yourself a favor and read up on the efficacy of the flu vaccine. Squinch Sep 2016 #92

I work in the field SDANation Sep 2016 #95

Pfft! That information is easily debunked! Major Nikon Sep 2016 #104

Haha! SDANation Sep 2016 #106

A press release. I'm totally convinced. Squinch Sep 2016 #161

Do yourself a favor... SDANation Sep 2016 #98

Good Job RobinA Sep 2016 #188

same as people that don't get their children vaccinated Motley13 Sep 2016 #145

excellent response Skittles Sep 2016 #150

I've given many flu vaccines ismnotwasm Sep 2016 #96

Poorly trained MA? SDANation Sep 2016 #100

Really. I go to a Minute Clinic for mine, and a nice MineralMan Sep 2016 #103

The often quoted 60% figure is not the effectiveness of preventing the flu at all Major Nikon Sep 2016 #108

OK. The anti-vaxxers like to think that they're convincing people. MineralMan Sep 2016 #110

Even if one doesn't want to investigate the science, their claims just don't pass the smell test Major Nikon Sep 2016 #113

Anti-vaxxers have no real claims to make. MineralMan Sep 2016 #115

I get and give flu shots gwheezie Sep 2016 #105

How many vaccinations can you get at once? TexasBushwhacker Sep 2016 #135

SIRVA victim here. moondust Sep 2016 #116

Where on your arm did the injection happen? ismnotwasm Sep 2016 #122

Some illustrations of where the injection should be womanofthehills Sep 2016 #144

Thank you ismnotwasm Sep 2016 #148

To be honest, moondust Sep 2016 #170

interesing because I have bursitis and I've always had the flu shot on my upper arm dlwickham Sep 2016 #142

Last year I gave the flu vax to nearly everyone on my unit eilen Sep 2016 #143

The poster of the OP is a Mercola fan Major Nikon Sep 2016 #147

Not true - you always hassle me with this lie womanofthehills Sep 2016 #164

Please do keep denying it Major Nikon Sep 2016 #166

So I once posted something from a site that posted an article that Dr. Mercola had also posted - OK womanofthehills Sep 2016 #168

Nice try Major Nikon Sep 2016 #169

Woo posts belong in Creative Speculation and nowhere else. SwankyXomb Sep 2016 #153

What is woo about SIRVA? ???? womanofthehills Sep 2016 #165

Your characterization below the article is the woo and creative speculation CreekDog Sep 2016 #180

Nothing. It is caused by improper injection procedures. MineralMan Sep 2016 #183

Omg I've been getting vaccinations in both arms and I needed extensive surgery in both shoulders! REP Sep 2016 #174