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DetlefK

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28. My issue is with the willfull ignoring of facts to further an agenda.

Mon Sep 5, 2016, 02:39 PM

Sep 2016

I don't care if it's a left-wing or a right-wing agenda. Counterpunch, various left-leaning blogs that get cited here on DU and various DU-members continue to post stuff that in no way stands up to scrutiny. They resort to a simplistic world-view of good-vs-evil and willfully ignore anything that might get in the way of their agenda.

Just a few days ago I was told here on DU that
- China's economic problems (which 90+% of the world's economists are aware of, including the chinese government)
- Amnesty International's report on torture by the syrian government
are so delusional and wrong that I am not even worthy a rebuttal.

How is one supposed to deal with left-wing extremists who are so far down the rabbit-hole that they operate in their own fantasy-world where they are the only ones who know the truth?

And if I see incomplete and misleading information on DU, do I not have the duty to call them out???

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Ladies and Gentlemen: The "Regressive Left" [View all] DetlefK Sep 2016 OP

You called out the author of the OP on the original thread, and created a thread to do it again. Buzz Clik Sep 2016 #1

This not about the other thread. DetlefK Sep 2016 #4

You linked the other. Whatever. Buzz Clik Sep 2016 #11

wtf? Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #34

He linked another DU OP in his OP, and then claims he's not calling her out. Buzz Clik Sep 2016 #36

Yeah I was agreeing with you. Huge callout followed by flippant denial. Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #39

Do you agree that this Opening Post keeps hitting the top in this forum for obvious reasons? Jeffersons Ghost Sep 2016 #106

Judy Lynn is a long time DU member who tirelessly Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #2

Yes, she does. Igel Sep 2016 #3

"Appeal to authority"? DetlefK Sep 2016 #5

As one who has watched this obsessive labeling of the "left" as "2 legs bad" I worry about you. Ford_Prefect Sep 2016 #6

+1 LWolf Sep 2016 #7

+2 GeorgeGist Sep 2016 #10

+3 riderinthestorm Sep 2016 #15

+4 . .n/t annabanana Sep 2016 #17

+5 nt bananas Sep 2016 #27

My issue is with the willfull ignoring of facts to further an agenda. DetlefK Sep 2016 #28

Duty, obligation, right, desire, need, compulsion: isn't that a matter of taste as much as truth? Ford_Prefect Sep 2016 #38

Sigh. I did not namecall the Left as a whole. DetlefK Sep 2016 #40

I think you reacted in a way that shows the OP hit the mark. BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #82

+1. We all know this "regressive left." Just mention... Hortensis Sep 2016 #84

+6 I think there are likely more paid neocon trolls here than paid Russian trolls independentpiney Sep 2016 #55

That is a straw man of that persons argument. He didn't label "the left", just one part of it. stevenleser Sep 2016 #58

my point is that as a "lefty" after all that's been said this year I'm effing tired of the labeling. Ford_Prefect Sep 2016 #61

Of course labeling is bad, now that negative labels are being applied in defense. BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #83

Since the rule change Bob or didn't you get the memo? Ford_Prefect Sep 2016 #87

So in other words, you've been here long enough that you should have a thicker skin? BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #89

I've been on so many juries in the last 6 months that dealt with just this kind of issue. Ford_Prefect Sep 2016 #90

You seem confused. Between the two of us, I'm not the one with the problem. BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #97

Again you repeat the initial error in syntax. Silly Rabbit, trix are for kids. Ford_Prefect Sep 2016 #99

As I said before, welcome to the party, however late you may be. BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #100

How right you are Bob. Never let it be said that political correctness is only a tool of the left. Ford_Prefect Sep 2016 #101

Lol, so obvious. BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #102

You wound me, sir. Why ever would I stoop so low? I am disappointed that you think of me thus. Ford_Prefect Sep 2016 #104

No takers yet, huh? BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #105

+1 Ford saidsimplesimon Sep 2016 #77

No, just pointing out that you called out and insulted Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #25

Uhhhh..... Zorro Sep 2016 #59

+ one more lunatica Sep 2016 #37

You Better Believe It. nt msanthrope Sep 2016 #30

I fondly remember the days LWolf Sep 2016 #8

DU is not about principles or policies GummyBearz Sep 2016 #13

Unfortunately. nt LWolf Sep 2016 #24

Me too. Proudly left wing. nt riderinthestorm Sep 2016 #16

Very true. N/t roamer65 Sep 2016 #18

me too, those days are gone... G_j Sep 2016 #42

Yes, sadly so. suffragette Sep 2016 #43

Kind of like the party and the nation itself. LWolf Sep 2016 #47

Or "radical" or "extreme" left G_j Sep 2016 #50

It is. LWolf Sep 2016 #56

I agree G_j Sep 2016 #63

Heh. It doesn' take much. Hell, LBJ is a Left Bank bomb-thrower by some DUers' reckoning. Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #80

Which is amazing to me. LWolf Sep 2016 #92

At least when you are shocked, there remains vitality and a standard. Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #108

Good points. nt LWolf Sep 2016 #111

Get with the program! Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2016 #44

Well, LWolf Sep 2016 #46

left-wing does not have to mean.... Adrahil Sep 2016 #48

I don't think LWolf Sep 2016 #49

The "left" doesn't.... Adrahil Sep 2016 #51

"If Putin didn't say it, it isn't true!" Oneironaut Sep 2016 #9

Remember when DU celebrated Gaddafi as a left-wing hero? DetlefK Sep 2016 #29

THIS! A million times! BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #85

This ! Angel Martin Sep 2016 #45

Ah-CHOO !!! Iggo Sep 2016 #12

Awesome Labor Day post! hunter Sep 2016 #14

ditto. great timing. nt JanMichael Sep 2016 #32

^^^ Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #81

Fuck Putin and all his defenders and apologists. MicaelS Sep 2016 #19

The apologists certainly are one part of the regressive left, but there's a lot more to it. NuclearDem Sep 2016 #20

And then there are their fellow propaganda artists that work the other angle. Rex Sep 2016 #21

It's certainly a thing. Marr Sep 2016 #22

Can you expand on these standards? ronnie624 Sep 2016 #23

Lets expand on your expansion a bit. Since the end of World War 2 how many other countries stevenleser Sep 2016 #26

I'll bite. Please provide your list of our interventions since WWII that were motivated by human Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #31

I hope you're not holding your breath. Exilednight Sep 2016 #41

Who was helping the US government ronnie624 Sep 2016 #52

No need, my #54 is right below detailing three. And those were off the top of my head. stevenleser Sep 2016 #57

One by one. Exilednight Sep 2016 #60

All of your explanations are besides the point. stevenleser Sep 2016 #62

You set the parameters when you stated Exilednight Sep 2016 #64

The funniest part of your desperate attempt to prevent the US from being stevenleser Sep 2016 #66

First off, your misinterpreting Orwell. Exilednight Sep 2016 #69

Nope, I am not misinterpreting Orwell. nt stevenleser Sep 2016 #93

It's not black and white Steve. Nobody but you said it Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #86

I never said it was black and white and you are the one creating strawmen. nt stevenleser Sep 2016 #94

How many do you want? Here are three. stevenleser Sep 2016 #54

The first two fail to meet your own criteria. I'll give the third, but note Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #68

No they don't. And the criteria was established by both of us. stevenleser Sep 2016 #70

You added the condition that the us was acting Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #76

Nope, I did not. nt stevenleser Sep 2016 #95

The invasion of Iraq was not a blunder. ronnie624 Sep 2016 #71

I was being charitable. Point taken. Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #75

Which is not to mention Grenada and Panama. Both are noble experiments in democracy enforcement by Ford_Prefect Sep 2016 #79

Why do US citizens have a moral obligation to address the conduct of the former Soviet government? NuclearDem Sep 2016 #33

We don't. n/t ronnie624 Sep 2016 #53

Intentions matter. Marr Sep 2016 #72

A pretty standard line of reasoning from the prevailing narrative. ronnie624 Sep 2016 #74

You forgot that every inconvenient occurrence is a false flag. Nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2016 #35

It's sad to see this right-wing term come to DU and see fellow DUers embrace it. Exilednight Sep 2016 #65

I lulz'd KG Sep 2016 #67

The far-left and the far-right merge sometimes in their perspectives but it is useful to read and pampango Sep 2016 #73

epic kick... Blue_Tires Sep 2016 #78

Another slow day post above wins the prize in my book nolabels Sep 2016 #88

What is the reason behind your preoccupation between Russia and Ukraine? HerrKarlMarx Sep 2016 #91

This is a political discussion forum. We discuss politics here, not bowling strategy. stevenleser Sep 2016 #96

I was just curious HerrKarlMarx Sep 2016 #98

I'm just unnerved by the constant propaganda over that topic. DetlefK Sep 2016 #103

Thank you for the explanation HerrKarlMarx Sep 2016 #110

The proper term is "Hate-America-Firster". "Regressive Left" is a RW buzzword for Feminists... Odin2005 Sep 2016 #107

"Regressive Left" is a RW buzzword for Feminists...Well wadda ya know about that? Ford_Prefect Sep 2016 #109