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Orrex

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3. By design, corporations have two purposes and two purposes only:

Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:31 AM

Sep 2016

1. Split risk
2. Maximize profit

All other considerations are incidental and are abandoned when they threaten 1 or 2.

Some corporations are worker-friendly, and some corporations are environment-friendly, and some are community-friendly, but all are corporate-friendly first and foremost.

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Corporations are Vicious Sociopaths, made out of paper. "Regulations" are what protect us. [View all] ProfessorPlum Sep 2016 OP

I think that's a gross over generalization. Not every corporation is sociopathic. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #1

By design, corporations have two purposes and two purposes only: Orrex Sep 2016 #3

Name one thing that doesn't act that way. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #6

Gee, let me think. Orrex Sep 2016 #9

Parents will sacrifice the collective good for the good of their particular family. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #24

No, you're reading from the Libertarian playbook Orrex Sep 2016 #31

You're anthropomorphizing corporations. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #33

Nonsense. Orrex Sep 2016 #40

Corporations may be legal entities but the law itself is nothing but a construct. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #43

That is why corporations should have no rights Orrex Sep 2016 #45

If you owned a business would you rather lay-off 1,000 or lose so much money that the Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #46

I don't accept that either/or formulation Orrex Sep 2016 #49

If there is consumer demand why would a company Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #50

Why do you keep moving the goalposts? Orrex Sep 2016 #52

Teddy bears are also not sociopathic. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #56

Obviously you're mischaracterizing my argument Orrex Sep 2016 #65

You claim I'm engaging in a straw man argument but then go on to write 3 paragraphs Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #67

You don't know what you're talking about Orrex Sep 2016 #69

1. People should have the right to form corporations Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #71

Question.... not trying to be nosy.. but... clarice Sep 2016 #97

What if "The executive" in question risked everything to start his corporation?... oh wait.. clarice Sep 2016 #96

"tightly regulated and expressly granted privileges????" I think that that has been tried before... clarice Sep 2016 #95

The Supreme Court did THAT... n/t annabanana Sep 2016 #51

Assuming your interpretation of what transpired is correct Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #55

Providing goods and services is incidental. ronnie624 Sep 2016 #4

Economics isn't thermodynamics. Good grief. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #5

Yes it is. ronnie624 Sep 2016 #7

Please explain which economic system can overcome the laws of thermodynamics. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #8

What a ridiculous post. ronnie624 Sep 2016 #10

your theory makes no sense at all. mopinko Sep 2016 #14

The finality of the Laws of Thermodynamics ronnie624 Sep 2016 #15

oh i understand the law. mopinko Sep 2016 #16

The concept of money, ronnie624 Sep 2016 #19

Money is a marker used by parties to express value in an exhange of goods and services. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #22

But is has to have an accurate reflection of the absolute value ronnie624 Sep 2016 #42

That's one theory. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #44

Are you claiming that since energy cannot be created then any economic system Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #18

Expansion beyond the needs of the population is nonsense. ronnie624 Sep 2016 #20

"There is only just so much usable energy...available, strictly limited by human labor." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #21

I use as little as possible. ronnie624 Sep 2016 #23

Again: How much usuable energy is available? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #25

Logical and just distribution The2ndWheel Sep 2016 #26

So it's a given that a minority has more than they need, ronnie624 Sep 2016 #29

If it's a finite planet, choices get difficult The2ndWheel Sep 2016 #34

Your imputing moral guilt where none may exist. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #36

Is not the primary goal of any and all paid work to provide money LanternWaste Sep 2016 #35

No one needs money. ronnie624 Sep 2016 #41

You wouldn't have a electricity, computer, and internet without money. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #48

All of that stuff could theoretically exsist without money. ronnie624 Sep 2016 #58

"It plays no role in the conversion and dispersion of energy." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #59

Money is not essential to organization. ronnie624 Sep 2016 #61

Seeing as you have yet to quantify the amount of usable energy on Earth Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #62

It's the lack of collective will ronnie624 Sep 2016 #63

If you're so certain value is based on thermodynamic cost why can't you Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #64

I don't need to answer your questions ronnie624 Sep 2016 #68

"Everyone should have learned this in middle school." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #72

Everyone has heard that the Laws of Thermodynamics apply to all energy conversions. ronnie624 Sep 2016 #73

Okay, that last essay has no plan for converting to a thermodynamics based economy it's Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #78

re: "Providing goods and services is incidental." discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #60

"We no more want government telling the economic engine what and how to produce" ProfessorPlum Sep 2016 #12

Libertarianism in a nutshell. n/t ronnie624 Sep 2016 #13

That is a really bad example (for you) considering the misery the War on Drugs produces. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #17

There is a third alternative besides prohibition and letting capital act as ProfessorPlum Sep 2016 #79

I disagree, respectfully. saidsimplesimon Sep 2016 #30

I made no statement in favor of deregulation. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #37

"not harming anyone" That's why we must have regulations, or who will stop them when they do harm? The Wielding Truth Sep 2016 #39

"They exist to make profits without being taxed as much as a company." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #47

^ This. Well said NC. nt clarice Sep 2016 #94

interesting is on the news this very moment...how to complain about a bank dembotoz Sep 2016 #2

I've worked for a big corporation for the past 7 years. Avalux Sep 2016 #11

Some regulations are stupid though. Blue laws, for example. closeupready Sep 2016 #27

Of course ProfessorPlum Sep 2016 #77

Yes that is completely true. closeupready Sep 2016 #80

Which is why progressive countries function well with capitalist economies. They REGULATE them pampango Sep 2016 #28

UNregulated capitalism cannot succeed. elleng Sep 2016 #32

Careful, you will get an earful from the libertarians. Rex Sep 2016 #38

Well, you called that one right. Orrex Sep 2016 #70

Don't feel too bad, I did the same thing for over 10 years. Rex Sep 2016 #93

No, they're just moneymaking enterprises. Nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2016 #53

The documentary deathrind Sep 2016 #54

What a bizarre world you live in. former9thward Sep 2016 #57

Take that sociopathic, profit-making entity DemocraticUnderground LLC, for example. Nye Bevan Sep 2016 #66

Are you saying that regulations don't exist and that the world is rainbows anyway? ProfessorPlum Sep 2016 #75

He's saying your complaint about corporations, if consistently held, could be used to dismantle DU Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #81

that's stupid ProfessorPlum Sep 2016 #82

So, like MSNBC, then. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #83

? ProfessorPlum Sep 2016 #84

MSNBC is publicly traded, has a board of directors, and seeks to maximize profit. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #85

Yes. That is what I'm saying. ProfessorPlum Sep 2016 #86

You seem to be deliberately missing my point ProfessorPlum Sep 2016 #87

If you speak in over-broad generalizations and declare corporations sociopathic without Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #89

Right now, the corporations are policing themselves ProfessorPlum Sep 2016 #90

"To the extent that we can wrest some of that decision making control away from them" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #91

The government is, essentially, us ProfessorPlum Sep 2016 #92

"The government is, essentially, us" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #98

Take it easy, or you'll burst something ProfessorPlum Sep 2016 #99

So that's what's missing... CanSocDem Sep 2016 #100

You can lecture about theory all you want but at the end of the day Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #101

That's too short-sighted... CanSocDem Sep 2016 #102

Accounting for human nature is "crazy talk"? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #103

Excellent post BYJ439 Sep 2016 #74

Classic capitalism HerrKarlMarx Sep 2016 #76

Your language is perhaps a bit over the top, but in principal you've nailed it. Respectful Debate Sep 2016 #88