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76. So being separatists is ok? N/T

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Is the rise of "safe spaces" bringing back the era of segregation? [View all] davidn3600 Sep 2016 OP

The fight was against imposed segregation loyalsister Sep 2016 #1

If you say so... davidn3600 Sep 2016 #3

Do you think forcing a black student to live next to a white nationalist is a good idea? loyalsister Sep 2016 #4

What proportion of whites at UCalLA are white nationalists? FBaggins Sep 2016 #14

I have no idea loyalsister Sep 2016 #20

Your comment, CrispyQ Sep 2016 #204

The audience existed before the media took that turn loyalsister Sep 2016 #207

I tell ya, it looks like the Chino prison yard these days Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2016 #21

The housing is already full with a waiting list FBaggins Sep 2016 #103

We're talking about 24 apartments here, a sweeping social phenomenon this is not. Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2016 #134

They will have to deal with them at some point in life davidn3600 Sep 2016 #15

So, do you a groups blacks confronting the KKK would have prevented the lynching of friends? loyalsister Sep 2016 #18

Except that's not happening here. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #25

So, we should wait until it happens? loyalsister Sep 2016 #27

If you're threatened by the mere presence of someone else's skin color Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #31

We don't punish people or treat them like pre-criminals because of the melanin content of their skin loyalsister Sep 2016 #36

You're the one arguing random white people are probably KKK. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #38

That is not what I argued and you know it loyalsister Sep 2016 #40

You're not arguing white people are the KKK, you're just arguing white people are racist. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #62

Racism does not require hate loyalsister Sep 2016 #68

And what system is it that the KKK and enablers wish to preserve? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #69

The one in which white people have significant advantages loyalsister Sep 2016 #70

You mean to keep "those other people" out. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #74

Nice try loyalsister Sep 2016 #75

Coming up with elaborate, contorted euphemisms for racist segregation doesn't Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #77

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #152

That's because of conversations like this... TipTok Sep 2016 #140

These groups are forming because there is a history of racialharassment bettyellen Sep 2016 #190

People say lots of things. Considering how carelessly the term "racism" is Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #192

So the black students are exaggerating or outright lying because why? bettyellen Sep 2016 #193

"You think giving them any sort of accommodation is unfair" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #198

What sort of accommodations are you actually okay with? And why were you bettyellen Sep 2016 #199

The rules have to be equally applied to everyone. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #203

That's never been the case in the history of our nation, so your admonition is worthless bettyellen Sep 2016 #205

You feel entitled to call people racist or claim they deny racism but feel insulted when Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #206

I did not call anyone a racist. Stop lying about me- that's deplorable. bettyellen Sep 2016 #208

Nobody has been called a racist? Then why the demand for safe spaces? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #210

How does a safe space affect your life one little bit? kwassa Sep 2016 #214

Segregated lunch counters don't effect me either but I still oppose them. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #215

Do you think all male golf clubs are a good thing? Egnever Sep 2016 #45

Not at all the same loyalsister Sep 2016 #47

Not at all like that Egnever Sep 2016 #49

How do you know? loyalsister Sep 2016 #52

How do i know the difference between a rule and self selection? Egnever Sep 2016 #54

How do you know there is not a rule about fraterniy and sorority housing? loyalsister Sep 2016 #55

I'm really trying here... OneGrassRoot Sep 2016 #225

Will try to clarify Egnever Sep 2016 #228

the most openly racist people you're going to encounter at UCLA aren't "white nationalists" Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2016 #60

What!? Quantess Sep 2016 #178

It's not self-segregating if others are forcibly kept away. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #13

Well... Dr. Strange Sep 2016 #19

"dish out pain upon their privileged ass." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #28

Like any student residence, the kids inside can invite friends but if they are troublemakers bettyellen Sep 2016 #191

If the university says from a position of power "only certain races can live here" that is imposed Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #17

Fraternities and sorrorities have self segregated housing loyalsister Sep 2016 #34

False equivalent.. Frats and sororities are a self Exilednight Sep 2016 #92

But they are allowed to pick who gets to be in the club kcr Sep 2016 #194

So being separatists is ok? N/T beevul Sep 2016 #76

no Enrique Sep 2016 #2

No, but it's wonderful for those who get satisfaction from having martyr status. Quantess Sep 2016 #5

Do you think it's unreasonable for students of color to be more worried about racism now loyalsister Sep 2016 #7

I actually do not know. I would say maybe, yes. What do I know? Quantess Sep 2016 #10

Racism has been revealed and people are more comfortable and accepting of bigotry loyalsister Sep 2016 #16

I will state with confidence that racism, bigotry against LGBT, and sexual assaults Quantess Sep 2016 #22

More disturbing that outward malicious bigotry is the way some people deny that it exists loyalsister Sep 2016 #26

What it says to me is that now, people experiencing racism are more likely to speak up about it, Quantess Sep 2016 #32

I have ended a few friendships since 2008 loyalsister Sep 2016 #51

"increase" is a strawman, it doesn't have to "increase" just be more accepted and that's bad enough uponit7771 Sep 2016 #153

The poster might not understand the experience JustAnotherGen Sep 2016 #177

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #183

What the TV shows you is not a true representation of society Egnever Sep 2016 #48

I inform my opinions from sources who live the experience loyalsister Sep 2016 #86

The plural of anecdote is not data... TipTok Sep 2016 #141

The life experiences of real people loyalsister Sep 2016 #142

It means that stories from some people you know... TipTok Sep 2016 #143

Again it is not a rise in racism loyalsister Sep 2016 #144

Distinction without a difference... TipTok Sep 2016 #145

The difference is loyalsister Sep 2016 #146

Not in my world, I would rather racism NOT be normalized and stayed suppressed than it uponit7771 Sep 2016 #157

40% of the US electorate is though, why are people acting as if tRumps text book racism doesnt exist uponit7771 Sep 2016 #156

Right on, racism has been normalized again... that's bad enough uponit7771 Sep 2016 #155

Racism doesn't have to "grow" it just has to be more accepted and after tRump it looks like its... uponit7771 Sep 2016 #154

Civil Rights legislation didn't happen because MLK ran to a safe space. Exilednight Sep 2016 #93

Did you forget that he was murdered during that mission? loyalsister Sep 2016 #94

Okay, now this is just veering into the absurd and morbid fantasies. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #96

Wow loyalsister Sep 2016 #104

No UCLA students were responsible for those incidents. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #106

Never in LA!!! loyalsister Sep 2016 #107

You're right. Racist incidents could happen anywhere. TCJ70 Sep 2016 #108

Yeah.... loyalsister Sep 2016 #109

If you don't see a difference between... TCJ70 Sep 2016 #113

Women in an actual situation loyalsister Sep 2016 #118

Which UCLA student did that? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #111

Perspectives and history that fall outside of the white experience matters seem to be intolerable loyalsister Sep 2016 #117

Because racism is not the cure for racism Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #119

Rosa Parks lived until 92, what's your point? Exilednight Sep 2016 #105

Did you know that the Freedom Riders wrote wills before they got on the buses loyalsister Sep 2016 #125

Is there a group of white supremacists running around UCLA beating Exilednight Sep 2016 #133

I am saying that the mood on campuses and across the country is palpably frightening to black people loyalsister Sep 2016 #135

Well said. Thank you. bettyellen Sep 2016 #209

Excellent post. kwassa Sep 2016 #213

The job of a university is to prepare people for the real world. Exilednight Sep 2016 #162

No gollygee Sep 2016 #6

He knows JustAnotherGen Sep 2016 #33

I went to a State University to study and learn, not to "receive" a degree. Quantess Sep 2016 #50

The reason people study and learn at a university is to get a degree gollygee Sep 2016 #56

No, it isn't "pedantic" at all. Some people really are there to learn. Quantess Sep 2016 #172

You made an assumption about JAG based on her use of the word "receive" gollygee Sep 2016 #175

Shhhhhh don't tell JustAnotherGen Sep 2016 #176

Good for you! JustAnotherGen Sep 2016 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author Quantess Sep 2016 #174

It could have that effect Warpy Sep 2016 #8

NO ... not unless racism has been eradicated (thereby eradicating the need/ desire for safe places) etherealtruth Sep 2016 #9

How about kicking out people who do 'frequent racist attacks', 'racially insensitive remarks' and... Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2016 #11

I would hope that was at least as much a priority. Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #23

They are defended on the basis of free speech loyalsister Sep 2016 #35

I've no doubt that's unfortunately true on some campuses. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2016 #72

In some colleges there would be no one to teach including deans like at MU and some teachers uponit7771 Sep 2016 #158

no. Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #12

This may piss off a lot of people, but... trof Sep 2016 #24

It's not DNA related loyalsister Sep 2016 #30

I have raised a small flock of chickens Quantess Sep 2016 #42

That probably served a purpose get the red out Sep 2016 #160

I think the bullshit about snowflakes is tired, frankly. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #29

Well, yes and no. NuclearDem Sep 2016 #37

I think it's good that schools like the U of C are making a firm committment to free inquiry Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #39

I think there's a balance between giving kids confidence NuclearDem Sep 2016 #41

I can tell you that the character building aspect of getting cold cocked in a school bathroom Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #78

A lot of those Baby Boomer regressives were like that in youth. raging moderate Sep 2016 #58

The Daily Mail is a right wing propaganda publication. Kingofalldems Sep 2016 #43

I have wondered this same thing since the first day I started reading DU. m-lekktor Sep 2016 #57

I wouldn't say it's bringing on an "era" of segregation. romanic Sep 2016 #44

Special accommodations, and it has to be cheaper? The2ndWheel Sep 2016 #46

You seriously just compared young POC to snowflakes... NCTraveler Sep 2016 #53

Every white student at that university Bettie Sep 2016 #61

There is something I didn't even come close to saying. NCTraveler Sep 2016 #63

You said that the students Bettie Sep 2016 #65

Your original comment on my words was completely false. NCTraveler Sep 2016 #66

Well, please do share how often students receive Bettie Sep 2016 #67

I'm actually just fine... NCTraveler Sep 2016 #71

I did not personally call anyone a snowflake Bettie Sep 2016 #73

I didn't say you did. NCTraveler Sep 2016 #81

There is a general ban on a group is students based solely on skin color Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #97

I don't get your post. NCTraveler Sep 2016 #99

No one is denying there are racists. What we're saying is there is no justification for segregation. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #100

Poor little white snowflakes. NCTraveler Sep 2016 #110

I side with the innocent. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #112

This policy is an insult mothra1orbit Sep 2016 #59

It isn't OK that people have had to brave racist abuse gollygee Sep 2016 #64

I still want to hear romanic Sep 2016 #79

Two things gollygee Sep 2016 #82

Define "suffer oppression" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #83

From the Nuclear Capitol of the World, I can respond to "suffer oppression." Jeffersons Ghost Sep 2016 #84

Trump campaigning is grounds for anti-white segregation? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #91

Who is oppressing them at college? The2ndWheel Sep 2016 #89

Apparently when some people see a white person walking towards them on the street Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #98

The college, as a white institution, is oppressing them. kwassa Sep 2016 #120

"depending on the environment they grew up in." NuclearDem Sep 2016 #122

You missed the institutional racism part. kwassa Sep 2016 #123

What institutional racism? NuclearDem Sep 2016 #130

White privilege. Think about it. kwassa Sep 2016 #136

And they've chosen to go there because...? The2ndWheel Sep 2016 #126

Because they need to get a college education. kwassa Sep 2016 #137

"Whites are often unconscious of the way an institution is structured to favor them." So the jonno99 Sep 2016 #128

No, you misunderstand. kwassa Sep 2016 #138

Ok then. romanic Sep 2016 #129

They can work on that separate from working on their degree gollygee Sep 2016 #132

How if they are so insulated in "safe spaces"? romanic Sep 2016 #147

The same way people who aren't in school do it gollygee Sep 2016 #167

You clearly don't get it. :/ romanic Sep 2016 #171

Seems like "safe spaces" and "triggers" are being conflated here. OneGrassRoot Sep 2016 #227

A degree is worthless if you don't have the ability to deal with stress... TipTok Sep 2016 #149

Again, they are dealing with the same stress as everyone else PLUS an additional layer of stress. gollygee Sep 2016 #166

No they aren't... TipTok Sep 2016 #169

Yes they are gollygee Sep 2016 #170

A few things. Behind the Aegis Sep 2016 #115

Thank you for an informed response on the subject .... kwassa Sep 2016 #121

No doubt, many people believe Women's Shelter's are discriminatory as well LanternWaste Sep 2016 #85

Mostly, males who abuse women find women's shelters discriminatory w/ image... Jeffersons Ghost Sep 2016 #88

I only have one question ripcord Sep 2016 #87

LOL, the DAILY MAIL? Odin2005 Sep 2016 #90

The OP isn't an opinion piece. FBaggins Sep 2016 #95

It's a right-wing story pushing the right-wing hysteria over "safe spaces". Odin2005 Sep 2016 #161

No. It's just stupid and weak. Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #101

Safe spaces bigwillq Sep 2016 #102

Why do you think it is a joke? Behind the Aegis Sep 2016 #116

"Our society is so soft." You know what? Good, we want our kids to be soft... Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #231

Madness. Recreating segregation for fear of micro aggressions?? Albertoo Sep 2016 #114

You are raising a bogus issue. Not surprised. kwassa Sep 2016 #124

So if a restaurant in the south wants to make a safe space for white people who feel threatened Binkie The Clown Sep 2016 #127

The same false comparison that goes on throughout these threads. kwassa Sep 2016 #139

The entire world is a safe space for white people mwrguy Sep 2016 #226

I once got a flat tire in a black neighborhood. Binkie The Clown Sep 2016 #229

Let's see, what's the real bad thing here? DemocraticWing Sep 2016 #131

I highly doubt someone attending a college in LA would face racism enough to need a 'safe space' ram2008 Sep 2016 #148

This is how you are carefully taught to hate and how the conservatives control the dialog. Todays_Illusion Sep 2016 #150

Most of the people pushing some of those phrases... TipTok Sep 2016 #151

The people who want this are disgusting bigots Taitertots Sep 2016 #159

Then the world is full of disgusting bigots .... kwassa Sep 2016 #163

Caring about the complexion of your neighbors is vile bigotry Taitertots Sep 2016 #164

How absurd. Neither vile nor bigotry. kwassa Sep 2016 #165

Oh... You're one of those people who thinks racism is justified by historic marginalization Taitertots Sep 2016 #173

It is only bigotry in your world. kwassa Sep 2016 #180

Alright, then why do they think they want a sanctuary from an entire race of people? NuclearDem Sep 2016 #179

Because they have been mistreated by an entire race of people? kwassa Sep 2016 #181

I wasn't aware university officials were condoning cross burnings on campus. NuclearDem Sep 2016 #182

So, you deny racism happens on university campuses? kwassa Sep 2016 #185

Racial incidents != institutional racism NuclearDem Sep 2016 #187

You minimize. kwassa Sep 2016 #188

It seems a lot of black kids are equating culture shock with racism. NuclearDem Sep 2016 #189

You, and the way things seem to you, are exactly why safe spaces are needed. n/t kcr Sep 2016 #195

They have not been mistreated by an entire race Taitertots Sep 2016 #184

You don't understand either racism or institutional racism. kwassa Sep 2016 #186

I'm not accountable for what other people do... TipTok Sep 2016 #196

And your attitude is exactly why institutional racism continues to persist. kwassa Sep 2016 #200

Why would I be responsible for the racism of other people? TipTok Sep 2016 #202

Because you are white and enjoy a privilege because of that. kwassa Sep 2016 #212

I have no more control over being white than I do over the actions of others... TipTok Sep 2016 #216

Dare I add Uponthegears Sep 2016 #217

That's called private property... TipTok Sep 2016 #218

Now where have I Uponthegears Sep 2016 #219

Couldn't tell you.... TipTok Sep 2016 #220

No, what it tells you Uponthegears Sep 2016 #222

Distinction without a difference... TipTok Sep 2016 #223

No, it's the equivalent Uponthegears Sep 2016 #224

In summary... TipTok Sep 2016 #230

The voice of privilege speaks (and judges) Uponthegears Sep 2016 #233

I'm not suggesting that there aren't challenges for PoC that white people don't face.... TipTok Sep 2016 #234

You appear to have trouble with the concept of context gollygee Sep 2016 #168

This is nothing like the era of segregation Matrosov Sep 2016 #197

So tired of hearing Uponthegears Sep 2016 #201

I guess you can pretend something forced on someone and something totally voluntary are the same. Rex Sep 2016 #211

Part of the benefit of college is broadening your horizons and taking you out of your comfort zone. bklyncowgirl Sep 2016 #221

About forced versus self-segregation... OneGrassRoot Sep 2016 #232