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Warren DeMontague

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58. What is a centrist? A "serious person"? The majority of Americans are pro choice. THAT IS centrism.

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 02:37 AM

Jun 2012

The majority of Americans support personal freedom, reproductive rights, and contraceptive access, by huge margins in some cases.

The majority of Americans want government out of their bedrooms.

Most Americans, now, think pot should be legalized. Soon, most Americans will support full marriage equality for GLBT citizens, and soon after that, those numbers will be huge and irreversible.

The times they are a changin'. Personal Freedom- Choice- The right of women to control their own bodies- these ARE centrist positions.

What you're hearing are the dying bleats of dinosaurs, a GOP in thrall to imaginary "values voters" and a knuckle-dragging base that is horribly out of touch. You are seeing older generations enamored with fantasies of running other peoples' lives, desperately clinging to their last shreds of relevance. Of influence.

And let me say that I don't think there are too many people on DU who are anti-choice. At least, there shouldn't be.

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I catch a lot of hell for being a centrist and even I am terrified by the antifeminism we see today [View all] Recursion Jun 2012 OP

Great post. Chorophyll Jun 2012 #1

It troubles me that even here I see the phrase, "I'm not a feminist or anything, but..." Recursion Jun 2012 #4

That's been going on for a long time. Chorophyll Jun 2012 #47

I am a PROUD Feminist AND Liberal AND Democrat. I am proud and pleased to be labeled as such. calimary Jun 2012 #51

Proud kardonb Jun 2012 #87

Welcome to DU! calimary Jun 2012 #91

I've noticed it, too. That means it's just verbalized more; the feelings were always still there.nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #2

I wish I knew Recursion Jun 2012 #6

Friend, there are people who like "Story of O." malthaussen Jun 2012 #13

Hell, I still read Gor occasionally Recursion Jun 2012 #15

Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #3

That's BS. I supported both Lieberman and Specter in their primaries Recursion Jun 2012 #5

(insert several minutes of raucous laughter) (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #10

Basically Recursion Jun 2012 #11

Yes, thanks MIRT: freshwest Jun 2012 #18

We have all just fed the troll Recursion Jun 2012 #19

Thank you for doing your part. ;) freshwest Jun 2012 #20

That particular troll is gone now. Chorophyll Jun 2012 #48

not just a troll but a "stupid ass troll". grantcart Jun 2012 #85

Yeah, that part had me LOL. freshwest Jun 2012 #88

This is important ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #8

Recursion, please don't take this wrongly. CTyankee Jun 2012 #9

You might be misunderstanding me Recursion Jun 2012 #14

Now, that is interesting! CTyankee Jun 2012 #24

I understand completely what you are saying and I am grateful you are saying it. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #25

The same people that are behind ........... socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #12

Right, I do know that Recursion Jun 2012 #17

Well the point that I was trying to get across.......... socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #36

Well, this Marine has a Mossberg Recursion Jun 2012 #38

My thanks........ socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #41

Yes, you are right, it is coming. :( LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #45

Just remember that the majority is pro choice. Komen learned that lesson. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #16

Well said -- and my personal litmus test Recursion Jun 2012 #22

Yep. Its like, WHY DO YOU THINK ITS YOUR CALL TO BEGIN WITH? Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #40

this is why perception management ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #53

Ah, yes. Here's something to perceive Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #54

like the OP said ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #55

That's right. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #56

Thank you so much for this. When men speak up about this it carries so much more weight than LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #21

Well, that really pisses me off too Recursion Jun 2012 #23

LOL! Thanks for making me laugh, I needed that :) LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #26

There have been a number of threads on the subject, of course. malthaussen Jun 2012 #29

I think it goes deeper than that magical thyme Jun 2012 #82

Oh, I've never given the slightest credence to that claim malthaussen Jun 2012 #93

really nice post. nashville_brook Jun 2012 #27

We kind of have crossed a Rubicon I think Recursion Jun 2012 #32

i think we're witnessing 'collapse' in many areas, and there's a deep sense that no one nashville_brook Jun 2012 #70

I will have to look for that book, thank you for mentioning it! LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #76

Dude, if you can't say the word vagina... YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #28

I'd like to tell you your fears are groundless malthaussen Jun 2012 #30

We have spoken about it, my husband and I. YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #34

Not only can I say the word vagina.... Recursion Jun 2012 #31

It wasn't directed at you, I hope you know that, right? YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #33

Oh, yes, I get that, I was just expounding Recursion Jun 2012 #37

Neither do I. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #39

I've often referred to myself as a "lesbian" to blow people's minds. malthaussen Jun 2012 #43

Women should start throwing the word penis around. Penis, Penis Penis! Auntie Bush Jun 2012 #44

I already do that! YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #71

Feeding the right and echoing their message all over the place means TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #35

+1 freshwest Jun 2012 #90

Amen! Texasgal Jun 2012 #42

Great post, Recursion, it's appreciated tpsbmam Jun 2012 #46

You just noticed Caretha Jun 2012 #49

VAGINA! ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #52

Issues like taxes, the deficit, free trade etc. are things that reasonable people can debate. Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #50

Rec & kick! cecilfirefox Jun 2012 #57

What is a centrist? A "serious person"? The majority of Americans are pro choice. THAT IS centrism. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #58

The OP is commenting on anti-feminism ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #59

Don't you think you should let the OP speak for himself? Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #60

I did - and quoted the same section you did ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #61

So you feel that those who express anti-choice viewpoints are treated unfairly on DU, then? Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #62

who said that? ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #63

I'm trying to parse out exactly what the objection is you're expressing. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #64

what does ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #65

Equality, Freedom, and certainly in the context of this discussion, Choice. Now howabout Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #66

Good point ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #72

You are not answering my questions. Is there some reason you wont identify as pro-choice? Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #79

I am ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #80

Then I'm trying to figure out what it is that's bothering you, if it's NOT my advocacy of choice. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #81

Mind games ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #83

The only people who play games are people who have something to hide, or who are pretending to be Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #84

The war on women is nothing new. Laelth Jun 2012 #67

It is shifting again ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #73

Sounds like you're being disingenuous Doctor_J Jun 2012 #68

MAybe he's just ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #74

Being an Admitted Centrist you are preaching to the choir here KatChatter Jun 2012 #69

. ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #78

I see the crap even here on DU, and I alert on it constantly. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #75

Thank you for trying, Odin. I feel hope when I see you younger people, LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #77

wherecis the younger generatiopn? grantcart Jun 2012 #86

the three i talked to all shrugged. one though, would vote if going after booze and cigs.... seabeyond Jun 2012 #89

I know Liberatarian leaning women who generally vote for Democrats for this reason Nikia Jun 2012 #92